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Posted: January 22 2008 at 07:54

Alternate version:

+++high pitched voice in background+++

"Leave it Wayne - he's not worff it"

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Posted: January 22 2008 at 07:52

Seriously though - I do have a soft spot for Chavs...

...it's a bog in southern Ireland!

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Posted: January 22 2008 at 07:51

Jim Garten wrote:

I'm sure this chap could assist:

Michael Carroll - King Of The Chavs

A more upstanding member of the community, you'd be hard pressed to find.

Now there's someone to aspire to..

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Posted: January 22 2008 at 07:50

Geck0 wrote:

I hated that Poncho craze a few years back

You callin' me a chav?

Punk?

Edited by Jim Garten - January 22 2008 at 07:51

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Posted: January 22 2008 at 07:48

Jim Garten wrote:

I'm sure this chap could assist:

Michael Carroll - King Of The Chavs

A more upstanding member of the community, you'd be hard pressed to find.

Oh dear... that's the chap who won the National Lottery and then spent it all on booze, women, fast cars and ultimately on a jail term...

I have no time for idiots like him, whatsoever! Angry

Edited by Geck0 - January 22 2008 at 07:49

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Posted: January 22 2008 at 07:46

I bought a book for my female friend 2 or 3 years ago, which was a Guide to being a Chav, or something. She isn't a Chav, but she did at that time, occasionally end up doing Chav things. Luckily she's back to being normal again and she didn't take any offense about the book I bought her, 'cause she hates Chavs herself.

Chavs I don't think wear Burberry any more, because it's too much of a stereotype. I cannot remember the last time I saw any Burberry or a Poncho... I hated that Poncho craze a few years back!

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Posted: January 22 2008 at 07:44

I'm sure this chap could assist:

Michael Carroll - King Of The Chavs

A more upstanding member of the community, you'd be hard pressed to find.

Jon Lord 1941 - 2012

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Posted: January 22 2008 at 07:31

fandango wrote:

Blacksword wrote:

BTW, I'm just learning chav at the moment, so I'm better equipped to talk my way out of trouble. So far I've learnt to say 'Thats not bad. I quite like that' 'That's well mint, mate. Know what I'm saying, for real innit. Total word, 'n' sh!t, yeah'

Is there a 'Linguaphone' course you can purchase from WH Smiths, while you are getting the Chavland 'Rough' Guide, and Michelin Road Map for Walthamstow??

I imagine there is a guide to 'chav attractions/places of interest' somewhere; sports shops, underpasses, kebab vans, A&E units etc..

You'd have to ask the tourist board..

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Posted: January 22 2008 at 07:29

Geck0 wrote:

Exactly, Goth's generally don't and won't hurt anyone, because they're actually pacifists. That's why I disagree with that article. It says they're just people and neither should be treated any differently to each other...It also says "have you ever asked?" in relation to why a chav is a chav... erm, I'd rather not ask a chav that, I may get a hiding.That's the thing, generally, I find Goths are approachable and harmless - as well not genuine goths at all (I'm friends with many of them myself), whilst townies/pikeys/chavs are not really approachable in the same regard.Maybe I'm biased, 'cause I've never met a friendly and harmless chav...

Agree totally. Violence is not what springs to mind whenever I think of Goths, metalheads or emo's. Chavs are synonomous with public disorder and petty crime. If it's a stereotype it's one of their own making. I dont want to generlaise about everyone who wears track suit bottoms in public and supports Chelsea or Millwall, but I have found that many folk from that mould are best avoided. Especially if you see them walking along spitting every five yards, and swigging Special Brew. I dont feel the need to cross the road when I see Goths, put it like that..

The article, in standard BBC style, is just a pathetic exercise in political correctness. Rather than explore the very obvious differences between 'yoof' cultures, one which is based around music, and one which is based around being a menace to society, they seek to establish cultural equality between the two. I'm sorry, but it's bullsh!t.

The broader problem is that being a chav is, for many a badge of honour. Their little brothers and sisters actually 'aspire' to be low life. For society, that is tragic.

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Posted: January 22 2008 at 07:12

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fandango wrote:

I have heard that in some parts of rural Manchester, they have taken to dipping a 'hoodie' into a mixture of alcohol, chav vomit and blood from a 'shanking', then attaching an assortment of gold jewellery before dragging it across a council estate

It's an interesting idea, but how then do the chasing hounds differentiate the subject from the local populace?

Oh well, accidents happen

What?

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Posted: January 22 2008 at 07:10

It's an interesting idea, but how then do the chasing hounds differentiate the subject from the local populace?

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Posted: January 22 2008 at 07:07

Goth's and Emo kids, i tend to find very approachable and generally very kind and have even made friends among them. Unlike many "types" of delinquent youth we have in Australia, which i generally try to avoid.

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Posted: January 22 2008 at 06:58

Exactly, Goth's generally don't and won't hurt anyone, because they're actually pacifists. That's why I disagree with that article. It says they're just people and neither should be treated any differently to each other...

It also says "have you ever asked?" in relation to why a chav is a chav... erm, I'd rather not ask a chav that, I may get a hiding.

That's the thing, generally, I find Goths are approachable and harmless - as well not genuine goths at all (I'm friends with many of them myself), whilst townies/pikeys/chavs are not really approachable in the same regard.

Maybe I'm biased, 'cause I've never met a friendly and harmless chav...

Edited by Geck0 - January 22 2008 at 07:00

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Posted: January 22 2008 at 06:53

oh hum - same old same old - mods'n'rockers, greasers'n'skins, punks'n'anyone, goths'n'townies... bring back the new romantics - they never hurt anyone.

Then Goths aren't renound for being great brawlers: I once witnessed an altercation between two 'acquaintances' over a girl. "This should be good", said one of my friends as the two squared up to each other, "I've seen these two fight before." "Oh" says I, "what happened?" My friend turned to me and smiled: "The both ran away." Sure enough as they circled each other like stalking lions, they were slowly edging further and further apart.

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Posted: January 22 2008 at 06:49

Blacksword wrote:

BTW, I'm just learning chav at the moment, so I'm better equipped to talk my way out of trouble. So far I've learnt to say 'Thats not bad. I quite like that'

'That's well mint, mate. Know what I'm saying, for real innit. Total word, 'n' sh!t, yeah'

Is there a 'Linguaphone' course you can purchase from WH Smiths, while you are getting the Chavland 'Rough' Guide, and Michelin Road Map for Walthamstow??

Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson

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Posted: January 22 2008 at 06:42

Blacksword wrote:

NaturalScience wrote:

Are the chavs sort of one and the same with the football hooligans, or is that yet another bunch of belligerents?� Sad to see such streaks of violence in some of the pub scenes over there.� Beer should make you happy!

Chavs are hard to define, without upsetting the PC lobby. You need to choose your words carefully, behind most chavs there is probably a very sad story. That said, many kids in the UK actually aspire to being a chav now, which is worrying..

They are generally charecterised by anti social behavior, an ignorant attitude and a liking for sports wear and crap gold jewellery. Many use black slang, for some reason..

Britain has a unique drinking culture which is based around getting completely off your head, which is very different from having fun. I think there is a perception among many that life is better when it's blurred. When you think like that, alcohol is actually the last thing you need.

"I drink too much, I drink too fast
prefer a bottle to a glass,
from Chateauneuf-du-Pape through Thunderbird.
I prefer my senses blurred".
Peter Blegvad, "When the Work Was New"

Edited by BaldFriede - January 22 2008 at 06:43

BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue.

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Posted: January 22 2008 at 06:38

Blacksword wrote:

fandango wrote:

Blacksword wrote:

I cant believe some people think it cruel, and have suggested that we 'drag hunt' instead. I dont think dragging a Burberry cap across a field before releasing the hounds is going to have quite the same effect, re; pest control..

�

I've heard that too, Andy...furthermore, I have heard that in some parts of rural; Manchester, they have taken to dipping a 'hoodie' into a mixture of alcohol, chav vomit and blood from a 'shanking', then attaching an assortment of gold jewellery before dragging it across a council estate...

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...buit I can't help feeling this is more cruel to the chasing pit bulls than it is a deterrent...

I'm surprised the RSPCA haven't stepped in. There can be no justification for subjecting dogs to this kind of treatment.

BTW, I'm just learning chav at the moment, so I'm better equipped to talk my way out of trouble. So far I've learnt to say 'Thats not bad. I quite like that'

'That's well mint, mate. Know what I'm saying, for real innit. Total word, 'n' sh!t, yeah'

Andy, they don't say "mate" anymore, they say "blood" instead.

This article is interesting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southwest/sites/qe2/pages/goths.shtml

I'm thinking they must live near Jared somewhere...