SR V: To boldly go where no room has gone before

birdwithteeth11 wrote: James wrote: Oh I'm quite aware they're opinions. I just say it deliberately.  I knew you'd pick up on the objectivism thing like a nun to a habit.  It worked.  You were drawn in. What in the world does objectivism have to do with this? We're talking about subjective vs. objective opinions.

Alex was the one talking about Objectivism.

MovingPictures07 wrote: Padraic wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: Objective elitism ftl I'm sorry, but these are facts: 1. Porcupine Tree is prog. Lol, you rail against objective elitism and present "PT=prog" as a fact? Do you think anyone would question the progressiveness of Yes? Is it in the realm of feasibility?  Sure.  They would look really silly doing it, perhaps, but they would still be applying their own criterion of what "prog" means, which is ultimately my point. Porcupine Tree fit the progressive rock label, and that's why they're here. Want me to prove it to you? Sure, but I have no doubt they fit whatever you're calling the "progressive rock" label.

I'm not saying there's zero prog sensibility in PT music - but if there is such a thing as a "degree of progginess", I find it be on the low side with that band - in particular their last few releases.

James wrote: Oh I'm quite aware they're opinions. I just say it deliberately.  I knew you'd pick up on the objectivism thing like a nun to a habit.  It worked.  You were drawn in.

What in the world does objectivism have to do with this? We're talking about subjective vs. objective opinions.

James wrote: Oh I'm quite aware they're opinions. I just say it deliberately.  I knew you'd pick up on the objectivism thing like a nun to a habit.  It worked.  You were drawn in.

So you purposefully say your opinions like they're facts just to get people pissed at you or to get attention?

Oh I'm quite aware they're opinions.

I just say it deliberately.  I knew you'd pick up on the objectivism thing like a nun to a habit.  It worked.  You were drawn in.

it is for the loss

James wrote: PT have been prog in the past.  They're barely prog now.  That's what I mean.  They still have proggy moments, don't get me wrong.  They're quite accessible though.  There are proggier albums out there. Objectively better ones too. I'm allowed to say whether something is better, whether it's an objective viewpoint or not.

I didn't say you weren't allowed to say whether something is better or not; you're just wrong if you say music is objectively better than other music.

Music, by nature, is subjective. Especially when you compare two art albums to each other, there is no objective way of saying "Henry Cow is better than Porcupine Tree" or "Porcupine Tree is better than Henry Cow". They're all opinions, and you never seem to understand the fact that your opinions are simply that: opinions.


Edited by MovingPictures07 - May 13 2009 at 16:03

MovingPictures07 wrote: Objective elitism ftl I'm sorry, but these are facts: 1. Porcupine Tree is prog.

Lol, you rail against objective elitism and present "PT=prog" as a fact?

James wrote: Ricochet wrote: James wrote: And how a non-prog album can be best prog album of 2007 on P.A. makes me moist. We don't wanna know about that process. It's quite simple. A bunch of relatively clueless n00bs vote for something that's popular and not-prog because they cannot listen to anything that actually is prog and better.

I meant the you getting moist over something part.

MovingPictures07 wrote: James wrote: Ricochet wrote: James wrote: And how a non-prog album can be best prog album of 2008 on P.A. makes me moist. We don't wanna know about that process. It's quite simple. A bunch of relatively clueless n00bs vote for something that's popular and not-prog because they cannot listen to anything that actually is prog and better. Objective elitism ftl I'm sorry, but these are facts: 1. Porcupine Tree is prog. It isn't the most prog thing you'll find, but it's just as prog as other artists which are clearly progressive. 2. Nothing you like is objectively better than what anyone else likes. You come across like that alot, and that's where people misunderstand you.

What Alex said. I've seen enough elitism elsewhere on PA.


Edited by birdwithteeth11 - May 13 2009 at 15:59