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Ivan_Melgar_M 
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 Posted: March 24 2020 at 12:31 |
Here in Perú it's getting better.
We were the first country to isolate people in their homes since 9 days ago
5 Minutes ago the President informed and we have good news.
- We've been advancing an average of 30 to 50 cases a day.
- Yesterday we had 25 more cases
- Today we have 15 cases more, the curve is starting to get flat.
- We have 7 deaths:
- 4 Cases came already sick from from Spain and were isolated as soon as they came.
- 1 Case came from Canada.
- 1 is a native case who nobody can explain (The first death).
- 1 Is an irresponsibility of the system, the guy came from Spain and was sent to his house after taking the sample, he called a friend who is a doctor and told him he couldn't breathe, the doctor called Minsa (Health Ministry) and no answer, after two days his test was found an de he was positive. The doctor hired am ambulance, but the guy didn't answered, they broke the door and the guy was dead.
Most of the cases are in Lima (10 million people, almost 2 million without water), 340 infected
But since yesterday the cases are slowing in Lima and started to appear in the north close to the frontier with Ecuador, country in an emergency, they have half the population of Perú and already 1049 positive cases and 27 deaths, people are crossing the frontier to buy and sell their products by our long frontier not guarded.
We also have a huge Venezuelan immigration who cross by feet in points were there is no police and are found in the three frontier departments
We have a curfew at 8 PM until Sunday. Luckily the frontiers were closed early and the isolation started with only 6 cases.
The frontiers and the airports are closed for at least 2 more months.
PS: I had a funny situation.
I have asthma, so I normally cough, specially in spring and autumn, so I went to the department store and had a cough.
People ran and a policeman took me to the hospital a block away, luckily they were testing in the garden under a tent to avoid people in closed rooms.
The doctor took the temperature of 37 with the thermal scanner (not fever, but close) so they made me buy a thermometer and had 37 oral which is normal, still he was starting to order mandatory isolation but he saw my cigarettes and showed him my albuterol spray and laughed, he told me I am stupid to smoke with asthma (I know that) injected me with the pneumococcal vaccine and told the police to take me back to the market (preferred to walk instead of entering the patrol with two unprotected cops), because it wasn't dry cough and I had no risk because I told him I didn't had any contact with foreigners or people infected and had no fever and the temperature in street was 30 degrees C°.
The funny thing s that the vaccine caused me fever for 24 hours and made me paranoiac, but since a week ago everything is normal, still had to call the 113 and inform.
The paranoia is huge here.
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - March 24 2020 at 12:46
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SteveG
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 12:20 |
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Yeah, he's had battles with Trump but said yesterday that it was financially unviable to keep the city shutdown forever. He's mulling over some options. It is NYC , after all.
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 12:11 |
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Really? From what I've seen he's doing all he can in the face of fierce obstruction from the federal government. Am I missing something here?
Edited by npjnpj - March 24 2020 at 12:12
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SteveG
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 11:08 |
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Yes, but NY's Governor Cuomo seems to be onboard with this too.
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 10:33 |
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His attitude seems to be: Many of you are going to die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.
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SteveG
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 10:22 |
No puny little virus is going to wreck the Trump economy. 
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 09:45 |
Trump is apparently planning to send the under 40s back to work on very short notice.
I think that Trump supporters should be required to give the Terminator thumbs-up just before they snuff it in the hospital corridors.
Edited by npjnpj - March 24 2020 at 09:47
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dr wu23
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 09:36 |
I live in Northwest Indiana...not much happens here anyway...so....I hope it stays calm. Family and friends are ok....for now.
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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SteveG
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 09:25 |
 Atavachron wrote:
npjnpj wrote:
My personal opinion is that when this whole thing has finally blown over (whenever that may be) the worst thing that can possibly happen is that things go back to the way they were.
This might be a chance to rebuild things better and see to it that human values get restored. I'm just stupid that way. |
It has been socially interesting, and a good change of pace.
The people I feel really bad for are the ones who'd just started something like a business, marriage, homeownership, etc.
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NYC sucks right now. Nothing peaceful about this sh*t.
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Atavachron
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 08:56 |
npjnpj wrote:
My personal opinion is that when this whole thing has finally blown over (whenever that may be) the worst thing that can possibly happen is that things go back to the way they were.
This might be a chance to rebuild things better and see to it that human values get restored. I'm just stupid that way. |
It has been socially interesting, and a good change of pace.
The people I feel really bad for are the ones who'd just started something like a business, marriage, homeownership, etc.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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chopper
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 08:50 |
First day of total lockdown, which is pretty much what we were doing anyway as I can work from home permanently. We're allowed one walk a day, so mine will be 20 miles and last for 8 hours.
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 08:04 |
npjnpj wrote:
At this point I would like to give a shout out to Senator Rand Paul, who has managed to shove a hand grenade up the US government all on his lonesome. Way to go, Rand!
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If only he would literally do that to the orange moron in chief.
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Blacksword
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 08:02 |
richardh wrote:
lazland wrote:
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
PM Boris Johnson just announced lockdown in UK from tonight. Hmm in light of many peoples activities this weekend, not surprised at all! |
Nope. What times we live in, eh?
It would have been better if he could have clarified precisely what constitutes essential work, though. The Tube, trains, and etc. have been rammed today with commuters. |
Did he say essential work though? I may have to go back and listen again but the gist was don't travel to work unless you can't do that work at home.
I'm an accountant and many may consider my work to be non essential ( I wouldn't be offended at all for anyone to say that) but then I am in charge of calculating payroll for many clients. Could they do it themselves? Perhaps but it would be a right mess!
I did go into work today but in the light of the PM's announcement that must surely be it. I don't want to be stopped by the cops and have to explain myself. Its definitely going that way but its has to for the long term good of everyone. My parents are in their 80's , not in the best health and this will literally kill them if they get it.
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That's where a lot of us are Rich. There's not enough clarity. I work in crop protection research, which is only essential in the short term in a very round about tenuous way, but we have all these split shifts and isolation practices in place at work right now to minimise contact etc. Many in my team are starting to question if we should be here at all, and I'm inclined to think we shouldn't. I can do most of what I do from home, as can some of my reports but our strategy entails having some management here at all times, so home working, so far has been on a rota. That may change from today, but we're still waiting for an announcement from on high in our company. I don't want to be pulled over by the cops and have to explain myself, but I think it's going down that route, with checkpoints and having to show 'papers' as I believe they are currently having to do in France.
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 06:50 |
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At this point I would like to give a shout out to Senator Rand Paul, who has managed to shove a hand grenade up the US government all on his lonesome. Way to go, Rand!
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 01:36 |
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I'm surprised that only men and women are effected, and not all the genders in between.
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lazland
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 00:46 |
King of Loss wrote:
npjnpj wrote:
My personal opinion is that when this whole thing has finally blown over (whenever that may be) the worst thing that can possibly happen is that things go back to the way they were.
This might be a chance to rebuild things better and see to it that human values get restored. I'm just stupid that way.
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It will not be the same. Most economists that I've talked to think that the economy will be as bad as the Great Depression. |
Usually I would take economists predictions about the economy with a massive pinch of salt. Soothsayers they ain’t 
However, what is certain is that there will have to be changes.
My prediction? Beware the laws of unintended consequences. The simple is is that we do not know, but this will, IMO, be the biggest change in economics and society since the end of the last war.
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lazland
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Posted: March 24 2020 at 00:39 |
richardh wrote:
lazland wrote:
Cosmiclawnmower wrote:
PM Boris Johnson just announced lockdown in UK from tonight. Hmm in light of many peoples activities this weekend, not surprised at all! |
Nope. What times we live in, eh?
It would have been better if he could have clarified precisely what constitutes essential work, though. The Tube, trains, and etc. have been rammed today with commuters. |
Did he say essential work though? I may have to go back and listen again but the gist was don't travel to work unless you can't do that work at home.
I'm an accountant and many may consider my work to be non essential ( I wouldn't be offended at all for anyone to say that) but then I am in charge of calculating payroll for many clients. Could they do it themselves? Perhaps but it would be a right mess!
I did go into work today but in the light of the PM's announcement that must surely be it. I don't want to be stopped by the cops and have to explain myself. Its definitely going that way but its has to for the long term good of everyone. My parents are in their 80's , not in the best health and this will literally kill them if they get it.
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Well, watching the news this morning, he said don’t go to work unless it is essential that you do so, which is not quite the same as essential work, is it? That is the trouble with policy made up on the hoof, it always leads to more questions than answers (no criticism of him, btw. This is a difficult situation for HMG).
My take on this, and I have had to ask for guidance from senior people in my department, is that you come into work only if that work cannot be done remotely, or that you are engaged in tasks essential to keep this country running essential services and that cannot be done remotely.
In terms of payroll, well people have to be paid, and there will be a lot of agents on the phone or online to HMRC for the government salary scheme, but I would be astounded if that could not be done remotely without the commute.
Of course, Richard, I regard accountancy as an essential job. Your clients keep me in work, after all
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King of Loss
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Posted: March 23 2020 at 22:18 |
npjnpj wrote:
My personal opinion is that when this whole thing has finally blown over (whenever that may be) the worst thing that can possibly happen is that things go back to the way they were.
This might be a chance to rebuild things better and see to it that human values get restored. I'm just stupid that way.
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It will not be the same. Most economists that I've talked to think that the economy will be as bad as the Great Depression.
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 23 2020 at 22:13 |
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My personal opinion is that when this whole thing has finally blown over (whenever that may be) the worst thing that can possibly happen is that things go back to the way they were.
This might be a chance to rebuild things better and see to it that human values get restored. I'm just stupid that way.
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npjnpj
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Posted: March 23 2020 at 21:23 |
Is there any reason you couldn't do that accounting work from home? All data you need should be available in a company network, and it would be its responsibility to see that you have access. Why should this be your decision?
I wonder what would happen if companies were given the responsibility of declaring themselves essential or not, and if they think they are, they would be held accountable (no pun intended) for their decision. Why should individual employees be burdened with the responsibility of deciding that?
Edited by npjnpj - March 23 2020 at 21:29
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