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Mellotron Storm 
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 Posted: October 16 2011 at 23:01 |
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Some cool stuff there Bamsen. I like that Epsilon track and also the Hanuman one. I do have three of these but it was great to hear the other seven.Thanks !
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: October 14 2011 at 14:13 |
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Hello my fellow space cadets!
Now bear with me, because this post will be enormous due to vids, but if this site isn´t about sharing music and letting other people know about long lost gems and such, then I have completely missed the point  We often talk about the big ones ie ADll, Neu!, Can, Ash Ra and the works, but the scene was so broad and eclectic - that I sometimes feel there are a lot of unmentioned artists we are missing out on. Some of these are old favorites of mine, and I just surfed YouTube to dig up some tracks from these under the radar releases. So without further ado - NI!! Hanuman´s self titled debut from 71. Great jazzy Kraut with lots of wonderful jamming: Silberbart from 71. Mad hellish and out there - in a brilliant way  Gift and their self titled debut(72). Heavy rocking and slightly bluesy: Dschinn(72). I love the drum work on this song. Inventive and ballsy: One of those Lord of the Rings inspired bands, but to be fair - I do think that The Nazgul(75) manage to conjure up some sounds and tapestries evoking the blackness of Mordor. Would have made Tolkien proud: LA! NEU. A relatively new development of NEU! - but only featuring Dinger with a lot of guests. This is a wonderful late Kraut release called Year of the Tiger from 1998(This is only an excerpt, because the tracks are over 20 min): Epsilon´s self titled from 71 is also completely overlooked, and that´s a real shame. Hard rocking and at times dappling in fusion: Sergius Golowin and Klaus Schulze´s take on devotional music such as you´d hear on a Popol Vuh album from around the same time(73)(well the album is packed with recognizable figures from the scene such as Jerry Berkers and Walter Westrupp plus more). I love this album even if it´s called something as hippydippy as Lord Krishna von Goloka :German Oak´s way of tramping all over Hitler´s dream. It´s muddy, free, rocking and all over the place - in a fantastic and gripping way(72): Eulenspygel from 72. Great band and both this album called Ausschuss and their second one with the chicken in the frying pan on the cover are fabulous examples of the scene: |
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The Wrinkler
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Posted: October 13 2011 at 18:29 |
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Yes! The Cosmic Jokers are awesome! This is what I was looking for, that classic Kraut jam, from a super star line-up! Very atmosphere feeling, it's a nice transition for me until I get to the more tranquil kraut. PV's, Hosianna Mantra is beautiful!
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 21:28 |
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^ Well said Moshkito
 I agree with you too about the Cosmic Courier stuff despite the negative opinions about how they came about.Why does that even matter, it's the music that counts and the music is fantastic.
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 21:19 |
I have always had a very high appreciation for all the Cosmic Courier stuff, and both "Planeten Sit-In" and "Cosmic Jokers" amnd great favorites of mine that burned out about 2 or 3 LP's and am now on my 2nd or 3rd CD already ... I can close my eyes and this is really neat and trippy stuff ... but I really think that you can not be "beat induced" or "oriented" like so many of the "progressive" folks tend to be ... this is free form music at its best, even if both Manuel and Klaus do not exactly have very nice things to say about them ... the music is about the "experience" itself, and has absolutely nothing to do with "music" at all ... it's just the extended feeling, and this is an area and appreciation that progressive listeners are not very good at, and have to have their lyrics the way they want to, or the beats the way they want to, and the chord/time changes the way they want to. In that sense, the experimentation in these is much farther away from most progressive music, that simply comes off as just a different note on the music scales.
Krautrock, above all, was about "getting into the vibe of the music" ... and that has absolutely NOTHING to do with the beat! ... and guess what album that is on that we're still not hearing! It was the only time, and place, where Tim Leary actually said something of value ... which I think is the only place he actually learned something and was not a joke for the media!
One of my favorites? From "New Age of Earth", at mom's place at the lake, at midnight, laying down on the dock and the music is playing out loud ... and you are just watching the night sky and seeing a coouple of shooting stars here and there ... and a magnificent view of the Milky Way ...
And this is the reason why Guru Guru, AD2, Klaus and Manuel and Popol Vuh ... ARE ... so important. In the end, it is not about my opinions or ideas ... is about the feeling, and you have to convey it and let people know that expression is important and very valuable to your internal constitution ... you might never learn that until too late in life! ... and emptiness ensues ...
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 21:09 |
Hey if you want to know what it was like being a young hippy in Germany in the early seventies just ask Uwe(Rivertree) he was there running around with no clothes on at many of these festivals
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 21:03 |
Great album Bamsen and my favourite from this Swiss band. I listened to Cottonwood Hill and Psychonaut from them today and both are more "out there" especially the first one than "Celestial Ocean" but this one just hits the spot for me.
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 13:59 |
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Oh almost forgot, I listened to the Finnish krautrock and I´m impressed - thanks for sharing Bosh66
 And Damo I don´t know what to say to you You are currently spearheading this thread in terms of the most out there clips - that´s for damn sure Now you just need to find something even wilder, and something tells me that Japan is the go to country, if one wants psychedelic music with a twist...Since Grobschnitt might be heading over to our end of the pond(Or they might remain in symphonic with a small disclaimer), I thought I´d recommend their finest hour, and possibly also their most "Kraut" in sound: Solar Music Live. Anyone who´s into psychedelic music - should enjoy this record immensely - I personally love it to death  |
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 13:33 |
I know what you mean about Agitation Free and that desert sound. I take it, you´re mostly referring to the debut? Even though, these albums all bear some resemblances to what AF were doing at the time ie the Eastern tinged instrumentation and that special "lost in the desert" feel to it: Mythos - S/T from 72 (very nice album that dabbles in Eastern music, but with close ties to the space rock of Ash Ra Tempel and Cosmic Jokers - should be right up your alley  ) - I guess their second album Dreamlab is just as good, but it´s more of a laid back ethereal chillout thing (Remember this is Kraut, so it naturally evolves into some pretty out there stuff at some points...)Between - And the Waters opened (Most of their albums feature Middle Eastern instrumentation, but done in a very original way) Brainticket - Celestial Ocean (Just check out the vid I posted) Deuter - D (This one will take some time to get into, if you´re anything like me Very nice album though...)Dzyan - Time Machine Embryo - Embryo´s Rache (Featured here under fusion, but don´t let that fool you. Just like Exmagma, Out of Focus and Kraan they´re all part of the Kosmische sound from back then.) There are probably more, but for now this is all I can think of. BTW if you´re getting into both Ash Ra Tempel and Cosmic Jokers, then you should definitely check out Walter Wegmüller´s Tarot. An epic double album featuring Manuel Göttsching, Klaus Schulze, Harald Grosskopf, Walter Westrupp, Hartmut Enke and Jerry Berkers. All well-known Krautrockers from the scene.
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 03:53 |
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As you'd guess from my posting on the other thread I did get to listen to Siinai and it's pretty krauty (which I'm sure isn't a word). Thanks for picking this up.
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 03:47 |
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And at the same time I've recommended Mahogany Brain (founded by a French poet Michel Bulteau) in Krautrock Team Thread.
This videoclip is not a good sample for him ... a free, freaky tiny one with cheesy voices. |
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Posted: October 11 2011 at 23:43 |
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Guld,
I totally know what you mean by that we have to look in the frame. Sometimes I wonder what it was like to be a young German hippy during the early 70's . Just started listening to the Cosmic Jokers, and I'm liking them. I'm really appreciating Ash Ra Tempel (Gottsching and Schulze), and want to know more about their solo careers. So to hear work with Gottsching and Schulze on the same album, you know something magical is going to happen. Also, can I get some recommendations of some desert kraut sound, (Agitation Free-like).Thanks. |
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Posted: October 11 2011 at 07:39 |
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No sorry - I´ve never even heard of a band from Finland playing Krautrock. Sounds pretty interesting though. Heard Kraut from Japan, Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark, USA, Italy, France, Russia, Austria and Slovenia (probably more). Never Finland.
Me neither! This might help if you're curious. I've no sound on my PC in this office I'm in unfortunately, so can't vouch for the quality;
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Posted: October 11 2011 at 06:04 |
This is awesome, thanks! And yeah episode 6  Sounds like an epic documentary! I´ll have a proper viewing later on, but it looks really cool. I trust you´ve seen the Kraut documentary that´s been posted here before with Schulze, Froese and other Gurus? The history behind this scene is perhaps one of the most unique of all the modern rock forms. I´ve mentioned it before in a review, but to think that most of these musicians were facing old teachers from the Nazi regime - thereby also the old ideas with everything concerning politics in music being banned by Goebbels during the 2. WW - is mad and slightly disturbing, - and it must have been so frustrating. Fueled by the fire and hope of the 60s I guess the scene was bound to explode. Krautrock was among many things a rebellion against the past using music to strive for something unfathomable. It was a rebellion against the German schlager and putting muzak on a pedestal. It was about the trip outside the boundaries of old and antiquated mindsets - using everything from Ragas and fusion to American delta blues with a healthy dose of improvisation running things. This is why music has to be seen within the proper time frame, because sometimes this shows us just how much it meant and still means, and how important it is to remember the music for what it is. A way of describing the empty spaces between us. Like an unspoken language so to speak.
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Posted: October 11 2011 at 05:14 |
No sorry - I´ve never even heard of a band from Finland playing Krautrock. Sounds pretty interesting though. Heard Kraut from Japan, Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark, USA, Italy, France, Russia, Austria and Slovenia (probably more). Never Finland. |
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Posted: October 11 2011 at 02:21 |
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Anyone had a chance to listen to the Finnish kraut band Siinai yet? Picked up a copy of Olympic Games off the back of an article in Classic Rock Presents Prog, but as my iPod doesn't play CDs, I've not had a chance to listen to it myself. Any good? How kraut is it (if at all!)?
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Posted: October 11 2011 at 01:42 |
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Check out their 71minutes album!!
I was looking around youtube and found this. I haven't seen the whole thing yet, but it does have some cool kraut klips! Did not realize this was episode 6, so there must be more!. Edited by The Wrinkler - October 11 2011 at 01:43 |
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Posted: October 10 2011 at 08:12 |
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If I was asked to play a Krautrock track that both serves as a good example of the genre, but also just rocks/floats like hell - I´d choose this one. It´s pretty easy to get into compared to a lot of other Kraut as well.
I am deeply addicted to this track:
Apart from Brainticket I´m also listening a lot to Faust IV. Everything from the classic opener Krautrock - to The sad skinhead is just wonderful! I think it´s their best - at least right now. Could be different next week, but that sort of comes with the territory I guess
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Posted: October 06 2011 at 22:02 |
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To me this is pure Krautrock in the vein of the first Gila record:
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