Progarchives.com has always (since 2002) relied on banners ads to cover web hosting fees and all. Please consider supporting us by giving monthly PayPal donations and help keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.
Joined: April 27 2004
Location: Peru
Status: Offline
Points: 19557
Posted: October 29 2013 at 01:49
Chris S wrote:
^ Well I don't know what it is Svetonio but you drive me nuts, so best I surf elsewhere around this great site and leave ya to bandcamp nirvana and yes my comment was out of line so I took it down....rave on.
I've asked myself the same question a thousand times.
But I know the answer.
A thread with 1,.000 album covers and links is as useful as an ashtray in a motorcycle.
Anybody here can throw 1,000 names easily, but that would help nobody, at least say something coherent about the band, I'm not willing to dig into hours and hours of music without any information to find one or two good bands.
I'm 100% sure that Svetonio has not heard 1% of the bands he throws us, he just posts them because the bands are in Bandcamp and he needs to do it God knows for what reason
People complained about Erik Neuteboom and the free advertising for his site (Including myself), but at least Erik made good reviews and excellent contributions, Bandcamp is getting free advertising here and sorry Svetonio....No contribution for the site.
IMO that thread is only a waste of bandwidth.
Sorry for the rant, but IO believe it was time to say what I feel.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - October 29 2013 at 01:59
Joined: June 09 2004
Location: Front Range
Status: Offline
Points: 7028
Posted: October 28 2013 at 19:29
^ Well I don't know what it is Svetonio but you drive me nuts, so best I surf elsewhere around this great site and leave ya to bandcamp nirvana and yes my comment was out of line so I took it down....rave on.
<font color=Brown>Music - The Sound Librarian
...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR]
Joined: January 11 2012
Location: Columbus&NYC
Status: Offline
Points: 3167
Posted: October 27 2013 at 17:26
I think every band that writes music that is deemed to be prog should be on the site. I personally like the attention and chances that it gives bands that have never been heard before.
It makes me happy to know that I can search and find bands on here that have only 100 fans on facebook, as many of those groups are just as good as the prog rock bands that have a solid following and labels.
I'm sure it's a lot of work but it has given me the chance to make many friends, and find great music- It is an invaluable tool.
Joined: October 23 2013
Location: Atlanta, GA
Status: Offline
Points: 2
Posted: October 27 2013 at 16:52
Thank you!
I am unsure what other posters have done, but I've listened to all of Svetonio's bandcamp suggestions and enjoyed them all!
"Any composition (or improvisation) which remains consonant and 'regular' throughout is, for me, equivalent to watching a movie with only 'good guys' in it, or eating cottage cheese."
--Frank Zappa
Joined: April 05 2006
Location: Vancouver, BC
Status: Offline
Points: 37228
Posted: October 25 2013 at 14:53
Clibber Jones wrote:
Hey folks, I just joined Prog Archives today!
I have to say that I am very glad there are bandcamp reviews, merely because it led me to this website, which I had never heard of before. I am so stoked to be on this forum and to listen to tons of new music.
Svetonio listed my band's "Live at Under the Couch" album as a Bandcamp Recommendation. That means a lot to me; I write all of the music for the band. Our sound is a mix of Prog rock and Minimalism. To even be considered on this forum is a big honor; we've only been playing live for a little over a year, and we are currently recording an EP.
That's my 2 cents!
If you want to hear anything from my band the Clibber Jones Ensemble, here's our website:
www.clibberjonesensemble.com
and here's our Live album:
http://clibberjonesensemble.bandcamp.com/
I suggest checking out "I Am the Avalanche".
Side note: I did not join this forum to self-promote! I am just really excited to have discovered the site.
I just listened to it, and continuing with your other music; I like it a lot! I haven't checked out bandcamp suggestions that much, but using that as an indication, then yeah, definitely worth it for me.
I'm sure I'd find lots to love, and a lot that I wouldn't like.... With any suggestions, I would hope, at least that the suggester likes the music and finds it worthwhile, and is choosy rather than just flooding the forum with them.
Joined: October 23 2013
Location: Atlanta, GA
Status: Offline
Points: 2
Posted: October 23 2013 at 17:39
Hey folks, I just joined Prog Archives today!
I have to say that I am very glad there are bandcamp reviews, merely because it led me to this website, which I had never heard of before. I am so stoked to be on this forum and to listen to tons of new music.
Svetonio listed my band's "Live at Under the Couch" album as a Bandcamp Recommendation. That means a lot to me; I write all of the music for the band. Our sound is a mix of Prog rock and Minimalism. To even be considered on this forum is a big honor; we've only been playing live for a little over a year, and we are currently recording an EP.
That's my 2 cents!
If you want to hear anything from my band the Clibber Jones Ensemble, here's our website:
www.clibberjonesensemble.com
and here's our Live album:
http://clibberjonesensemble.bandcamp.com/
I suggest checking out "I Am the Avalanche".
Side note: I did not join this forum to self-promote! I am just really excited to have discovered the site.
"Any composition (or improvisation) which remains consonant and 'regular' throughout is, for me, equivalent to watching a movie with only 'good guys' in it, or eating cottage cheese."
--Frank Zappa
Joined: June 09 2004
Location: Front Range
Status: Offline
Points: 7028
Posted: September 22 2013 at 20:36
Dean wrote:
There is no PR limbo - either propose the band to the Admins for PR or set them as "rejected" in ProgFreak.
Genre Teams using the term "prog related" colloquially when evaluating an artist or band does not necessarily mean that artist or band should be proposed for Prog Related on the PA. I know when I was evaluating in Xover I'd sometimes say "sounds more prog related to me..." it didn't mean I wanted them in Prog Related, just as a band sounding "a bit symphonic" doesn't mean I would have sent them over to Iván.
[/QUOTE]
Points well made Dean, maybe limbo was the wrong choice of word. Not a problem that can't be resolved, either table them on merit or reject them. The discussion got sidetracked a bit and I was highlighting ownership of suggestions mainly before hooking into a PR tangent on unresolved bands. Hope that makes sense and from what you and Chris have said, leave the process be
<font color=Brown>Music - The Sound Librarian
...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR]
Special Collaborator
Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout
Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 37575
Posted: September 22 2013 at 19:37
seventhsojourn wrote:
Quality is not a criterion as far as I'm aware. If it's prog it's prog, surely? By the way, this suggestion isn't a bandcamp artist, and it is of the highest quality imo. Nonetheless it was rejected:
Special Collaborator
Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout
Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 37575
Posted: September 22 2013 at 19:25
Chris S wrote:
^ Crossover sometimes ends up as the proverbial 'last chance saloon' and cos of this the PR route then lies with the Crossover Team to find an SC to table a bid to Admin. Not easy and I know there are at least 12 artists awaiting someone to motivate the bands to Admin. I think the original ' suggester' should motivate to Admin not the Team SC's as nine times out of ten they have no emotional attachment to the artists concerned or knowledge other than an evaluation.
I agree that these bands end up in Crossover as their last best hope for addition, but PR is not the next option on the list - rejection is. If the band is not suitable for Xover and all the other teams have rejected them then reject them too. The appearance of a PR worthy band is very rare, and certainly should not be as high 6 a year.
Chris S wrote:
I understand the PR Rules that is why I suggested they be revisited. PR evaluations come about as a result that they do not fit the genre in question but members feel they should be considered for PR. I think the person who initially suggested them for PA inclusion should pick up the reins if they fall into a PR situation by way of evaluations. That is merely my opinion on the matter.
Nope. There are good reasons for having an SC nominate the band for Prog Related, least of all is that SC has to then add the band himself, but the main one is matter of filtering. We have a strict criteria for Prog Related and the Admins judge whether the nominated artist fits the criteria and that they are right for the PA, the SC's role is a preselection process, to apply the criteria listed in the PR definition as they interpret them rather than any colloquial definition of Prog related that the person who initially suggested them may have used.
PR is not the place for nearly-prog bands, or hard to place prog bands - if we did that PR would be bigger than all the other subs added together. If no one has ever heard of this band then they don't belong in PR; Bandcamp artists have no place in PR and it would be very very unusual for a modern band to end up in PR unless it contained relatively well-known members of existing 100% prog bands AND was making music that had some Prog influence.
Chris S wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
If the PR nominations were open to everyone, can you imagine how many suggestions the Admin would receive?
Good point but again I am only referring to Crossover at the moment. The process takes time for bands to even end up in PR limbo. 12 in about 2 years maybe...have not done the math on PFreak...but why this reference came about on this thread is that I feel the people suggesting a band should do the leg work like Svetonio re bandcamp. You may well be aware of how many PR artists are in limbo across all genre teams, I can only speak for Crossover when I left about a month ago. So I don't think Admin would be inundated, just a hunch, and who says the original suggestor will propose them anyway. They might have moved on from PA by the time a PR status is flagged back. And if they have to do it through an SC as in the existing rules, so be it, it will just take longer that's all
There is no PR limbo - either propose the band to the Admins for PR or set them as "rejected" in ProgFreak.
Genre Teams using the term "prog related" colloquially when evaluating an artist or band does not necessarily mean that artist or band should be proposed for Prog Related on the PA. I know when I was evaluating in Xover I'd sometimes say "sounds more prog related to me..." it didn't mean I wanted them in Prog Related, just as a band sounding "a bit symphonic" doesn't mean I would have sent them over to Iván.
Joined: October 15 2008
Location: Okayama, Japan
Status: Offline
Points: 17493
Posted: September 22 2013 at 17:59
^ Yes, Exactly Chris.
Not known enough about PR suggestion because I'm a Admin "newbie" but basically PR evaluation is quite a tough work (a flood of artists have prog-ish seasoning, whilst we should research their historical background, discuss again and again, and settle finally ... with tremendous energy needed!) that experienced / appreciated members in PA (aka SCs) should taken them to AZ individually and carefully.
Joined: June 09 2004
Location: Front Range
Status: Offline
Points: 7028
Posted: September 22 2013 at 17:58
seventhsojourn wrote:
If the PR nominations were open to everyone, can you imagine how many suggestions the Admin would receive?
Good point but again I am only referring to Crossover at the moment. The process takes time for bands to even end up in PR limbo. 12 in about 2 years maybe...have not done the math on PFreak...but why this reference came about on this thread is that I feel the people suggesting a band should do the leg work like Svetonio re bandcamp. You may well be aware of how many PR artists are in limbo across all genre teams, I can only speak for Crossover when I left about a month ago. So I don't think Admin would be inundated, just a hunch, and who says the original suggestor will propose them anyway. They might have moved on from PA by the time a PR status is flagged back. And if they have to do it through an SC as in the existing rules, so be it, it will just take longer that's all
<font color=Brown>Music - The Sound Librarian
...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR]
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
This page was generated in 0.224 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.
/PAlogo_v2.gif "Progarchives.com Homepage")
Bandcamp suggestions...are they worth it?
Topic Options
Chris S wrote:
