Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Music Lounge
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Why isn't prog popular?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedWhy isn't prog popular?

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 34567 14>
Author
Message Reverse Sort Order
AllP0werToSlaves View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 29 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 249
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2011 at 10:45
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Originally posted by AllP0werToSlaves AllP0werToSlaves wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by ThaNuke ThaNuke wrote:

I just want to point out that you can't really force people to like prog; most don't even care if there's a 45/23 time signature. It just doesn't work that way. But the people that do appreciate prog are the special ones.


Honestly, neither do I.  I mean, so freaking what if you can play 45/23 or whatever exotic time sig?  I don't usually bother to find out exactly what time sig is being played and am much more interested in whether the time sig change is natural and intuitive or deliberate and forced.  If prog is much more of a left brained pursuit for most prog fans (and I should hope it is not), it should not surprise anyone that it is not popular because making music in pursuit of nerdy fantasies rather than for emotions does not seem to be such a good idea to me. And I am not saying that the very use of an odd time sig is nerdy, no, I am simply saying that I can't like a piece of music just for that bit of detail, that is so insignificant in the larger scheme of things.

As long as the music is intuitive and the complexity is a byproduct of the initial creativity, there shouldn't really be an argument because that's all music should be IMHO. Someone adding complexity just for the sake of it is the same thing as someone curbing something for being too complex our of fear of rejection from listeners. Both involve the snuffing of creativity in a pre-meditaded state. All the best prog sounds intuitive and flows well because it's the voice of the soul that we all connect to! Again, Gentle Giant is a great example. Now, whether people perceive the music as such is another story.


Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Though I'd go back further than that, I love Atari and golden age arcade games. Galaga/Ms. Pac Man machines are everywhere in my town, and I have to play it every time I see it. Beer

Oh I hear you on that; my girlfriend has amassed a massive Atari 5200 collection; I think she got something like 30+ games WITH original manuals and stickers in great quality for something ridiculous like $30 at a yard sale; and that included the Atari! I'm just personally drawn to the mid/late 80's/early 90's era of gaming when 2D was in it's prime both at the arcades and on home consoles. I must own something like two dozen + classic gaming shirts/apparel/etc; I'm sporting a BATTLETOADS t-shirt as I type this! Ah, gaming geeks lol.
 
5200? What kind of controller does she use? Because dont the controllers it comes with have a reputation of being very crappy? Though I know it's compatable with Atari 2600 and Sega Genesis controllers, as are other consoles from that era. Too bad you can't do that nowadays.

Yes the controllers are miserable, and the Atari itself is pretty beat. She plans on getting a re-furbished one for displaying and playing all the games she got. They do have third party controllers available now that look nearly identical but have much better response than the originals. 

Considering most of the music from the 16-bit generation of games (Mega Man X, Castlevania IV, Super Metroid, Streets of Rage, Sonic 1,2,3, S&K etc) all have a prog feel to their soundtracks, I feel the two go hand in hand! MIDI prog at it's finest!

Back to Top
boo boo View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: June 28 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 905
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2011 at 09:56
Originally posted by AllP0werToSlaves AllP0werToSlaves wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by ThaNuke ThaNuke wrote:

I just want to point out that you can't really force people to like prog; most don't even care if there's a 45/23 time signature. It just doesn't work that way. But the people that do appreciate prog are the special ones.


Honestly, neither do I.  I mean, so freaking what if you can play 45/23 or whatever exotic time sig?  I don't usually bother to find out exactly what time sig is being played and am much more interested in whether the time sig change is natural and intuitive or deliberate and forced.  If prog is much more of a left brained pursuit for most prog fans (and I should hope it is not), it should not surprise anyone that it is not popular because making music in pursuit of nerdy fantasies rather than for emotions does not seem to be such a good idea to me. And I am not saying that the very use of an odd time sig is nerdy, no, I am simply saying that I can't like a piece of music just for that bit of detail, that is so insignificant in the larger scheme of things.

As long as the music is intuitive and the complexity is a byproduct of the initial creativity, there shouldn't really be an argument because that's all music should be IMHO. Someone adding complexity just for the sake of it is the same thing as someone curbing something for being too complex our of fear of rejection from listeners. Both involve the snuffing of creativity in a pre-meditaded state. All the best prog sounds intuitive and flows well because it's the voice of the soul that we all connect to! Again, Gentle Giant is a great example. Now, whether people perceive the music as such is another story.


Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Though I'd go back further than that, I love Atari and golden age arcade games. Galaga/Ms. Pac Man machines are everywhere in my town, and I have to play it every time I see it. Beer

Oh I hear you on that; my girlfriend has amassed a massive Atari 5200 collection; I think she got something like 30+ games WITH original manuals and stickers in great quality for something ridiculous like $30 at a yard sale; and that included the Atari! I'm just personally drawn to the mid/late 80's/early 90's era of gaming when 2D was in it's prime both at the arcades and on home consoles. I must own something like two dozen + classic gaming shirts/apparel/etc; I'm sporting a BATTLETOADS t-shirt as I type this! Ah, gaming geeks lol.
 
5200? What kind of controller does she use? Because dont the controllers it comes with have a reputation of being very crappy? Though I know it's compatable with Atari 2600 and Sega Genesis controllers, as are other consoles from that era. Too bad you can't do that nowadays.
Back to Top
(De)progressive View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: March 24 2010
Location: Turkey
Status: Offline
Points: 495
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2011 at 04:18
Because prog sucks hahaha.
''Hope is the first step on the road to dissapointment.'' (Friedrich Nietzsche)

Back to Top
The Block View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: September 01 2009
Location: St. Alfonzo's
Status: Offline
Points: 924
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2011 at 14:34
I got one of my friends into it, but then he regressed back to pop and rap.
Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp!

Back to Top
AllP0werToSlaves View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 29 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 249
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2011 at 13:44
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by ThaNuke ThaNuke wrote:

I just want to point out that you can't really force people to like prog; most don't even care if there's a 45/23 time signature. It just doesn't work that way. But the people that do appreciate prog are the special ones.


Honestly, neither do I.  I mean, so freaking what if you can play 45/23 or whatever exotic time sig?  I don't usually bother to find out exactly what time sig is being played and am much more interested in whether the time sig change is natural and intuitive or deliberate and forced.  If prog is much more of a left brained pursuit for most prog fans (and I should hope it is not), it should not surprise anyone that it is not popular because making music in pursuit of nerdy fantasies rather than for emotions does not seem to be such a good idea to me. And I am not saying that the very use of an odd time sig is nerdy, no, I am simply saying that I can't like a piece of music just for that bit of detail, that is so insignificant in the larger scheme of things.

As long as the music is intuitive and the complexity is a byproduct of the initial creativity, there shouldn't really be an argument because that's all music should be IMHO. Someone adding complexity just for the sake of it is the same thing as someone curbing something for being too complex our of fear of rejection from listeners. Both involve the snuffing of creativity in a pre-meditaded state. All the best prog sounds intuitive and flows well because it's the voice of the soul that we all connect to! Again, Gentle Giant is a great example. Now, whether people perceive the music as such is another story.


Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Though I'd go back further than that, I love Atari and golden age arcade games. Galaga/Ms. Pac Man machines are everywhere in my town, and I have to play it every time I see it. Beer

Oh I hear you on that; my girlfriend has amassed a massive Atari 5200 collection; I think she got something like 30+ games WITH original manuals and stickers in great quality for something ridiculous like $30 at a yard sale; and that included the Atari! I'm just personally drawn to the mid/late 80's/early 90's era of gaming when 2D was in it's prime both at the arcades and on home consoles. I must own something like two dozen + classic gaming shirts/apparel/etc; I'm sporting a BATTLETOADS t-shirt as I type this! Ah, gaming geeks lol.
Back to Top
boo boo View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: June 28 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 905
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2011 at 03:40
Originally posted by AllP0werToSlaves AllP0werToSlaves wrote:

I am a self-proclaimed retro gaming nerd; all things 1985-1996 are my obsession lol.
 
Beer
 
Though I'd go back further than that, I love Atari and golden age arcade games. Galaga/Ms. Pac Man machines are everywhere in my town, and I have to play it every time I see it.


Edited by boo boo - February 06 2011 at 03:53
Back to Top
rogerthat View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: September 03 2006
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 9869
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2011 at 00:01
Originally posted by ThaNuke ThaNuke wrote:

I just want to point out that you can't really force people to like prog; most don't even care if there's a 45/23 time signature. It just doesn't work that way. But the people that do appreciate prog are the special ones.


Honestly, neither do I.  I mean, so freaking what if you can play 45/23 or whatever exotic time sig?  I don't usually bother to find out exactly what time sig is being played and am much more interested in whether the time sig change is natural and intuitive or deliberate and forced.  If prog is much more of a left brained pursuit for most prog fans (and I should hope it is not), it should not surprise anyone that it is not popular because making music in pursuit of nerdy fantasies rather than for emotions does not seem to be such a good idea to me. And I am not saying that the very use of an odd time sig is nerdy, no, I am simply saying that I can't like a piece of music just for that bit of detail, that is so insignificant in the larger scheme of things.


Edited by rogerthat - February 06 2011 at 00:02
Back to Top
ThaNuke View Drop Down
Forum Newbie
Forum Newbie
Avatar

Joined: February 05 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 29
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 21:21
I just want to point out that you can't really force people to like prog; most don't even care if there's a 45/23 time signature. It just doesn't work that way. But the people that do appreciate prog are the special ones.

Edited by ThaNuke - February 05 2011 at 21:22
Back to Top
AllP0werToSlaves View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 29 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 249
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 11:38
I am a self-proclaimed retro gaming nerd; all things 1985-1996 are my obsession lol.
Back to Top
PlumAplomb View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 03 2011
Location: pa
Status: Offline
Points: 172
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 11:32
Originally posted by AllP0werToSlaves AllP0werToSlaves wrote:

I would bet you anything that "geeks" of any kind are just as passionate as we are about prog. Severe enthusiasm over something instantly makes you a geek because you thoroughly enjoy it; everyone else is just too boring to have passion lol.




i am a self proclaimed huge ass geek nerd dork
la la la and a bottle of plum!



and when it lands
will my eyes
be closed or open?
Back to Top
AllP0werToSlaves View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 29 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 249
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 11:30
I would bet you anything that "geeks" of any kind are just as passionate as we are about prog. Severe enthusiasm over something instantly makes you a geek because you thoroughly enjoy it; everyone else is just too boring to have passion lol.
Back to Top
PlumAplomb View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 03 2011
Location: pa
Status: Offline
Points: 172
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 09:20
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Henners is getting sharper every minute, he'll be king 'round here someday



i call the mistress spot! (historically it's the mistress that gets all the good stuff while the queen languishes in poverty and my talents are more mistress style:)

also, as a would be writer, i see nothing wrong with using resources to further your knowledge of language
la la la and a bottle of plum!



and when it lands
will my eyes
be closed or open?
Back to Top
Atavachron View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: September 30 2006
Location: Pearland
Status: Offline
Points: 65258
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 04:26
^ Henners is getting sharper every minute, he'll be king 'round here someday
Back to Top
ExittheLemming View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: October 19 2007
Location: Penal Colony
Status: Offline
Points: 11415
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 04:22
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

and make you pray to dear god (even if you're an atheist) that you dont become as obnoxious as them when you grow older.

Too late!


LOL  HenryP made me laugh out loud (a first)
Back to Top
Henry Plainview View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 26 2008
Location: Declined
Status: Offline
Points: 16715
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 04:14
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

and make you pray to dear god (even if you're an atheist) that you dont become as obnoxious as them when you grow older.

Too late!
if you own a sodastream i hate you
Back to Top
Atavachron View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: September 30 2006
Location: Pearland
Status: Offline
Points: 65258
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 04:07
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

What the general public thinks prog fans are: Bunch of nerdy virgins in wizard hats.
 
What prog fans actually are: Bunch of incredibly pompous old snobs who quote the thesaurus to death to appear smarter than they are and make you pray to dear god (even if you're an atheist) that you dont become as obnoxious as them when you grow older.


I thought both were true


Back to Top
Snow Dog View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 03:40
Who the hell quotes a thesaurus? One utilizesWink a thesaurus.
Back to Top
Easy Livin View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin

Joined: February 21 2004
Location: Scotland
Status: Offline
Points: 15585
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2011 at 03:29
... and you are a prog fan Boo Boo?
 
 
Back to Top
boo boo View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member


Joined: June 28 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 905
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2011 at 10:23
What the general public thinks prog fans are: Bunch of nerdy virgins in wizard hats.
 
What prog fans actually are: Bunch of incredibly pompous old snobs who quote the thesaurus to death to appear smarter than they are and make you pray to dear god (even if you're an atheist) that you dont become as obnoxious as them when you grow older.


Edited by boo boo - February 04 2011 at 10:24
Back to Top
AllP0werToSlaves View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 29 2009
Status: Offline
Points: 249
Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 04 2011 at 10:18
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Q: Why isn't prog popular?
 
A: It's fanbase.

So I can only expect that the hundreds of thousands of popular music consumers are somehow better? If Integrity for music and art makes me a geek, well then I accept that title lol.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 34567 14>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.152 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.