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Points: 1433 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 14:46
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Nothing is original.
 
In a way, yes.
 
But everything which seems original seems original because, despite having influences, they are built-upon with fresh ideas, or fused with things that haven't been fused before. This is a creative process and therefore creates something new, which could be described as original.
 
Everything is slightly original, some things more, but nothing is TOTALLY original.
 
Lock a man in a room all his life with nothing but a piano: that would produce something very original! (but highly-likely to be a load of bollocks)


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Points: 1433 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 14:42
Regarding Led Zep -
 
It is customary, encouraged even, for blues musicians to adapt and develop each other's melodies and chord progressions. In the then-recent advent of Blues-Rock, such a principle applies doubly so with the new rock element there to play around with. Page commited no crime just as Emerson didn't with his Copland and Brubeck.
 
Anyway they aren't a prog band!


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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 13:52
Nothing is original.
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Points: 18016 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 13:46
Originally posted by Starhammer Starhammer wrote:

Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Nathaniel607 Nathaniel607 wrote:

What did you have in mind?


I don't know, Jean Louis or Negura Bunget maybe

Try Kayo Dot. That, sir, does not remind me of anything ever made before.


eh, their current avant-prog style is somewhat reminiscent of some other, older things.  Especially Coyote
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Points: 1321 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 13:42
I love how this little scrap is the equivalent of the 12 year olds arguing over which band is the most 'br00tal' on the Kerrang forums ... Just with older people ... who think this is a civilised argument

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Points: 6472 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 13:30
After listening to as much music as I have for as long as I have, I find something familiar in everything I  listen to.  No matter what it is, it will remind me of something else.  To paraphrase Ian Anderson, "It's all the same notes just organized by a different monkey."
The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty"
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Points: 10185 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 13:19
Originally posted by akajazzman akajazzman wrote:

Starhammer, I hope that new image/icon/avatar you're is only temporary.  That killer murdered a sweet little nine year old girl and five other people.

I'll remove it now if you're offended. Thanks for the heads up.
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Points: 13780 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 12:37
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

\lambda_j = -\frac{4}{h^2} \sin(\frac{\pi (j-\frac{1}{2})}{2n + 1})^2
v_{i,j} = \sqrt{\frac{2}{n+0.5}} \cos(\frac{\pi (i-0.5) (2j - 1)}{2n + 1})


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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 12:23
\lambda_j = -\frac{4}{h^2} \sin(\frac{\pi (j-\frac{1}{2})}{2n + 1})^2
v_{i,j} = \sqrt{\frac{2}{n+0.5}} \cos(\frac{\pi (i-0.5) (2j - 1)}{2n + 1})
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Points: 525 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 12:19
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:


Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Wow, Ayn Rand was such a bitch
dipsh*t.
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Meh (Atlas Shrugged)
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Points: 124 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 11:34
Starhammer, I hope that new image/icon/avatar you're is only temporary.  That killer murdered a sweet little nine year old girl and five other people.
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Points: 10185 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 06:52
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Nathaniel607 Nathaniel607 wrote:

What did you have in mind?


I don't know, Jean Louis or Negura Bunget maybe

Try Kayo Dot. That, sir, does not remind me of anything ever made before.
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Points: 14514 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 06:51
Back to the start of the thread:

I totally agree about Starcastle, but a s well as Marillion were doing Genesis music while Genesis were doing Abacab, I don't dislike them. 
Eloy had several periods. Their first two albums have lot of Uriah Heep, then the moved to Pink Floyd, but their 80s stuff goes from Jethro Tull to Yes.
Sabbath and Schizoid? Just influence for me. Or was it 21st Century paranoid man, instead ?Smile 
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Points: 2822 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 06:26



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Points: 10964 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2011 at 02:02
when one says 'contemporary prog', could they be meaning bands like TFK, Neal Morse, Transatlantic, DT, PoS, PT, (aka the more famous bands) or do they mean all music considered prog in post-89 land? if it's the former, i could kind of agree (though i love most of those bands, except PoS which i have a problem getting into). If it's the latter...
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Points: 18016 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2011 at 23:53
Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

Wow, Ayn Rand was such a bitch dipsh*t.


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Points: 6088 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2011 at 23:43
Wow, Ayn Rand was such a bitch.
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Points: 124 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2011 at 23:32
Originally posted by A B Negative A B Negative wrote:

Sabbath's Iron Man sounds more like KC's 21st Century Schizoid Man than Ozzy's version of 21st Century Schizoid Man does.
 
Not to keep pushing this, but even Ozzy was so enamored with King Crimson he covered 21st CSM on a Cover Ep for a Ozzy Box set!  He thanked King Crimson in the liner notes and said if it was not for KC then heavy metal would have not happened! 
 
Sabbath did a lot for music.  Blue Cheer, Deep Purple, Zep and others were hard rockin proto metal bands.  But Sabbath in many ways was the first modern day sinister heavy metal band.   So they did plenty.  But I always wished that they had expanded a little more into developing Prog metal more.  Now that would have been something.
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Points: 8602 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2011 at 23:21
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by Nathaniel607 Nathaniel607 wrote:


Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Most contemporary "prog".

Angry

Are you serious?


The correct answer is ALL contemporary prog.


Sooo....for those of us age 43 and up ALL prog is contemporary prog and is derivative dross stolen by impetuous iconoclasts using modern gizmos for their electronic buffoonerizm.

Stick with the classics...2 apes clacking rocks together. 

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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2011 at 23:13
21st Century Schizoid Man and Manic Depression by Hendrix always blended together in my mind, I'm not sure why but if I think of one song it always turns into the other.
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Nathaniel607 Nathaniel607 wrote:

What did you have in mind?

I don't know, Jean Louis or Negura Bunget maybe
Meh, Jean Louis are just Die Like A Dog plus some avant rock and other various free jazz influences, and I don't know Negura Bunget but it's black metal so I'm sure I could say something dismissive if I cared enough to. :P
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