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Evolver 
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 Posted: February 10 2014 at 06:32 |
 Man With Hat wrote:
^ Interesting. Sleep Dirt by a full band does sound intriguing.
As much as I consider myself a full on zappaphile I still get weary at all these Joe's releases. |
I buy them because I can't bear not to. But the bits and pieces nature of them does make me resent that they charge full price, plus their bloated shipping fee for them.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: February 09 2014 at 17:56 |
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^ Interesting. Sleep Dirt by a full band does sound intriguing.
As much as I consider myself a full on zappaphile I still get weary at all these Joe's releases.
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Evolver
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Posted: February 08 2014 at 20:17 |
I received my copy of Joe's Camouflage today. I haven't quite gotten through the whole album yet, but here are some thoughts: It may be the best of the Joe's series. The sound quality is decent, considering it was recorded on cassette originally, although "Honey, Don't You Want A Man Like Me?" is an awful recording. "T'Mershi Duween" sounds very different. "Sleep Dirt" also sounds different played by a full band. "Any Downers" at that point was just one riff played incessantly. To a Zappahead like myself it is a treat.
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steve2603
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Posted: February 08 2014 at 06:42 |
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I just got back into Zappa recently, forgot how incredible this dude is. Think I might pick up that Uncle Meat vinyl reissue. Does anyone know if any of his other stuff will be reissued on wax?
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 06 2014 at 17:49 |
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darkshade
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Posted: February 05 2014 at 23:58 |
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New Jersey is brought up in The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing.
NJ seems to come up a bunch during Thing-Fish.
Edited by darkshade - February 06 2014 at 00:02
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darkshade
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Posted: February 05 2014 at 14:26 |
Yea, Electirc Aunt Jemima is a great early 60s fusion album (but not released until early 90s) Here's the cover art for Joe's Camouflage 
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hellogoodbye
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Posted: February 04 2014 at 16:55 |
Heard this one yesterday. The sound is not very good, but the music is.
http://www.amazon.com/Electric-Aunt-Jemima-Frank-Zappa/dp/B001CBJRAA/ref=sr_1_55?s=dmusic&ie=UTF8&qid=1391554211&sr=1-55&keywords=zappa
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Man With Hat
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Posted: February 04 2014 at 16:17 |
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Yikes...that quote came out quite badly.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: February 04 2014 at 16:17 |
Evolver wrote:
Some Joe's Camouflage info (no, it hasn't arrived yet): <span ="track">Tracklisting:</span> 1. Phyniox ( Take 1) <span ="timing">2:29</span> 2. T’Mershi Duween <span ="timing">2:28</span> 3. Reeny Ra <span ="timing">4:13</span> 4. “Who Do You Think You Are” <span ="timing">1:39</span> 5. “Slack ‘Em All Down” <span ="timing">1:26</span> 6. Honey, Don’t You Want A Man Like Me? <span ="timing">4:16</span> 7. The Illinois Enema Bandit <span ="timing">6:27</span> 8. Sleep Dirt - In Rehearsal <span ="timing">1:08</span> 9. Black Napkins <span ="timing">8:12</span> 10. Take Your Clothes Off When You Dance <span ="timing">1:55</span> 11. Denny & Froggy Relate <span ="timing">:31</span> 12. “Choose Your Foot” <span ="timing">1:20</span> 13. Any Downers? <span ="timing">6:11</span> 14. Phyniox ( Take 2) <span ="timing">4:18</span> 15. “I Heard A Note!” <span ="timing">1:20</span><span ="timing">TT 47:54</span> <span ="timing"></span> <span ="timing">Probable lineup:</span> <span ="timing"></span> <span ="timing">FZ: guitar and vocals Napoleon Murphy Brock: keyboards, sax, and vocals
Robert "Frog" Camarena: guitar and vocals Denny Walley: slide guitar and
vocals Novi Novog: viola and vocals Roy Estrada: bass and vocals
Terry Bozzio: drums and vocals</span> <span ="timing"></span> <span ="timing"></span> |
Hmm...interesting.
Still need to hear opinions...nothing here jumps out to me as essential. (Though nothing necessarily jumps out as crap)
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darkshade
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Posted: February 03 2014 at 19:32 |
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I honestly can't remember what albums/shows that NJ is referenced. Doing the chronological run, you notice a lot of little details in the music or the dialogue. I noticed the NJ references, but only now did I bring it up, since I'm up to 1984 era of Zappa, and NJ references keep coming up. But I haven't returned to any albums or shows, I just keep forging on, so I can't recall where else it's mentioned.
What I can remember off the top of my head:
The Berkeley performance 1984 - Frank makes a joke about New Jersey.
Just Another Band From L.A. - In Billy The Mountain, Flo and Eddie mention "Atlantic City, NEW JOISEEYYY!!!"
Halloween - recorded in Pasaic, New Jersey, I think Frank makes a wise crack about the state.
I want to say one of the late 70s albums mentions NJ, but I can't recall.
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Evolver
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Posted: February 03 2014 at 15:26 |
Some Joe's Camouflage info (no, it hasn't arrived yet): Tracklisting:
1. Phyniox ( Take 1) 2:29
2. T’Mershi Duween 2:28
3. Reeny Ra 4:13
4. “Who Do You Think You Are” 1:39
5. “Slack ‘Em All Down” 1:26
6. Honey, Don’t You Want A Man Like Me? 4:16
7. The Illinois Enema Bandit 6:27
8. Sleep Dirt - In Rehearsal 1:08
9. Black Napkins 8:12
10. Take Your Clothes Off When You Dance 1:55
11. Denny & Froggy Relate :31
12. “Choose Your Foot” 1:20
13. Any Downers? 6:11
14. Phyniox ( Take 2) 4:18
15. “I Heard A Note!” 1:20
TT 47:54 Probable lineup: FZ: guitar and vocals
Napoleon Murphy Brock: keyboards, sax, and vocals
Robert "Frog" Camarena: guitar and vocals
Denny Walley: slide guitar and
vocals
Novi Novog: viola and vocals
Roy Estrada: bass and vocals
Terry Bozzio: drums and vocals
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HolyMoly
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Posted: February 03 2014 at 11:46 |
darkshade wrote:
What relationship does Frank Zappa have with New Jersey. I listened to the A Zappa Affair performance, and before each piece is performed, Frank explains to the audience what each piece is about, and before Sinister Footwear, he talks about a place in New Jersey who hires illegal immigrants, and it made me laugh, not just because I live in NJ (though this is part of the reason I always notice the references), but because this is yet another reference to NJ in Zappa's music, one I never heard before. Why does Frank make fun of NJ as often as he did? I know NJ is a laughing stock because everyone thinks the state is just Elizabeth, NJ with its factories and bad smells, or Atlantic City, but is there any particular reason Frank mentions NJ throughout his career?
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What are some examples of his references to New Jersey? I'm drawing a blank.
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darkshade
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Posted: February 03 2014 at 11:34 |
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Them Or Us would be a more enjoyable album if the album had some PUNCH to it, at least during the hard rocking parts.
Stevie's Spanking and Sinister Footwear II sound so weak, especially compared to the 88 band version on MAJNH.
Edited by darkshade - February 03 2014 at 11:35
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darkshade
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Posted: February 02 2014 at 19:46 |
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What relationship does Frank Zappa have with New Jersey. I listened to the A Zappa Affair performance, and before each piece is performed, Frank explains to the audience what each piece is about, and before Sinister Footwear, he talks about a place in New Jersey who hires illegal immigrants, and it made me laugh, not just because I live in NJ (though this is part of the reason I always notice the references), but because this is yet another reference to NJ in Zappa's music, one I never heard before. Why does Frank make fun of NJ as often as he did? I know NJ is a laughing stock because everyone thinks the state is just Elizabeth, NJ with its factories and bad smells, or Atlantic City, but is there any particular reason Frank mentions NJ throughout his career?
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Posted: January 31 2014 at 17:41 |
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Finally got around to continue the Zappa-thon. Remembering how dissonant London Symphony Orchestra is, as I'm listening to the album, I'm noticing all the pretty and uplifting moments there are. I had similar experiences with Zappa's synclavier work. The music hits you as a barrage of anxious, dissonant, nervous music, and a lot of it is.But repeated listens (and plenty of time since the last time I listened to LSO) reveals deeper moments of beauty. LSO isn't one of those albums you can listen to while driving, you need to be alone, with no distractions. But I was so not ready to continue on, but I'm glad I did. Only Frank Zappa could have made this music.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 18:43 |
HolyMoly wrote:
I can't wait until the next delayed release date is announced. |
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Man With Hat
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 18:43 |
Evolver wrote:
darkshade wrote:
Evolver wrote:
It's that time again. In a few days we should know the next supposed date for RBP release. |
It doesn't matter, because the album everyone's really been waiting for is coming out... Joe's Camouflage |
I'm a litle hesitant to order Camouflage, but I must. Not RBP is now Feb 14, or February Fools' Day. |
Please report back on it.
These Joe's -age series is a bit much for me to just blindly buy.
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
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HolyMoly
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 18:31 |
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I can't wait until the next delayed release date is announced.
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Evolver
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Posted: January 30 2014 at 18:10 |
darkshade wrote:
Evolver wrote:
It's that time again. In a few days we should know the next supposed date for RBP release. |
It doesn't matter, because the album everyone's really been waiting for is coming out... Joe's Camouflage
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I'm a litle hesitant to order Camouflage, but I must. Not RBP is now Feb 14, or February Fools' Day.
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