Torman Maxt

tuxon wrote: What happened with Torman Maxt on this site is this.   1. a reviewer rated it badly (one star) that rating was removed and caused controversy. 2. due to this controversy people reacted and listened to the album. 3. people who would normally wouldn't enjoy such album and would never even bother to listen to it suddenly decided that freedom of speech was in jeopardy so their speech should be heard. an thus they rated it with 1 star because they don't like the music (fair) but of course they don't like it for it's not music for their ears.   Basically MOB mentallity got the best of us and people who shouldn't have reviewed the album in the first place rated it with an unfair 1 star (not from individual reviewers perspective, but certainly from the Mob perspective).   they forget to be objective.   The album isn't great, but it surely isn't that bad, 3 stars for effort, maybe 1 star if you don't like jingle's or are into more heavy metal than this provides, maybe even 3,5 stars if a christian mesage appeals to you.   anyway. I like the album. and maybe I'll write a review to counter balance the negativity they unjustly get. Their not the next best thing, but still decent.     anyway good interview, always good to see someone openly talking about their fate, and what it means to them, don't like his Sarah Palin whoreshipping though.

I have found this whole thread quite fascinating.

I've been visiting this site since at least 2005 (member since 2007 I think) and I was completely unaware of any controversy over this album, and I visit the forums and front page almost daily.  I do remember seeing a lot of 1 and 2 stars reviews for it though.

For my part, however, it was reading the 8/10 review on DPRP that convinced me the album was not for me (good reviews help me figure out if an album is for me or not, regardless of whether or not the reviewer liked it).  After that, the consistently low ratings here just confirmed my decision.  Though reading all this makes me want to hear what all the fuss is about, which I may do (or at least I'll check out the samples).

All in all, a very good interview. 

Catcher10 wrote: J-Man wrote: sleeper wrote: Catcher10 wrote: Well I read the whole interview and actually went over a few parts 2-3x to make sure I understood. For whatever its worth like I said I downloaded both albums and gave an overview listen last night.   My first impression was the production quality of the new album part 2 is much better than than part 1. Once I noticed that then I started doing song/album comparisons and this was a glaring issue with part 1.   My personal impression of the drummer on the first album was the production effort I think hurt him badly, as I think in the 2nd album it "sounds" better.....Does he play better? Don't know...but sounds better.   I just feel this band is a side project for all the members, like Tony states, he's an architect and seems busy taking care of his clients and I am sure the other members are trying to take care of their familes with work and Torman Maxt is not 100% a dedicated project and unfortunately for these 2 albums it shows.   But I don't really have a problem with that, as long as I know this going in.   2 Stars IMHO. My 2 cents everyone...... Thats a poor excuse as most prog bands are made up of people with full time jobs outside of music. It certainly doesnt hurt Anekdoten now, does it? Exactly. I know that one of the guys in Echolyn (Chris Buzby) is a school teacher on the weekdays, Alan Morse is a businessman, etc. etc. Just because the band isn't their full-time job doesn't mean that they can't still make good music.   Guys I totally agree....I know tons of artists don't rely on music as only form of income....and I am not making an excuse for them. I have listened to each album over the past 3 days and I do agree it is barely worthy of 2 stars. I was simply expanding on what Tony mentioned in the interview, and as I stated due to this not being a full time project, it shows! You guys bring up another question surrounding this in that are they as talented as Anekdoten or Echolyn? Of course not.....   This thread needs to end....the point has been made by many, the albums seem to be deserving of nothing above a 2. Teo was spot on....period.

Rocktopus wrote: The T wrote: Don't get too human with me now Rocktopus. You feel free to call people things yet now you are thinking on this guy's heart and psyche and feelings? Please. I never get as personal as you do, and although I've managed to piss you off several times, I don't feel free to "call people things" at all.

Epignosis wrote: The T wrote: Epignosis wrote: The T wrote: Epignosis wrote: So I think what you're trying to say, T, is that The Problem of Pain Part 1 is not a good album? ... I'm just upset with some people "righteousness" here.. Suddenly we have some moral avengers trying to tell us that we did an non-objective job. I don't need any "judges". If they are so hurt with Maxt's low rating in PA, I guess maybe PA is a place where they might feel uncomfortable?  The Problem of that album, as I say in that review, is the pain generated by the listening experience.  But I still can't wait for PART II !!!  I already bought it.  I thought it was good. Didn't know it was out. Better than the first one?   Absolutely, but I don't know if you'll think so. Only $4.99 by the way.

Rocktopus wrote: The T wrote: It might ne true that many people heard the album because of the controversy. Otherwise, many people wouldn't even have known such an album and band existed.  That doesn't take away from the fact that the album is very close to being a complete piece of crap.  This is probably the tenth time you called the album a complete piece of crap. And that they STINK and SUCK etc... and that this is a fact as well. (Thought you were one of those relativists that think its all a matter of taste?) You're right. It's not a fact. That's my bad. Though I have changed my views a lot in the past year. I've gone back to my musical origins.  If I keep repeating it is because other people keep saying that the whole "low rating average" here in PA is "strange".  You do understand that Torodd inteviewed human being, and that this human being is probably reading all of this? If so, is it really necessary to aggressively insult his music and his band in every single post you make here?  He has to live with that if he wants to be in this music business. I'm sure he isn't the first and he won't be the last to receive this treatment, and I'm not the first nor will be the last to act like this in regards to a piece of entertainment.  Don't get too human with me now Rocktopus. You feel free to call people things yet now you are thinking on this guy's heart and psyche and feelings? Please.  I'll let it go though. I guess I've said and repeated myself till exhaustion.  Torman Maxt: if you're reading this, is not about you, is about the music.

The T wrote: Epignosis wrote: So I think what you're trying to say, T, is that The Problem of Pain Part 1 is not a good album? ... I'm just upset with some people "righteousness" here.. Suddenly we have some moral avengers trying to tell us that we did an non-objective job. I don't need any "judges". If they are so hurt with Maxt's low rating in PA, I guess maybe PA is a place where they might feel uncomfortable?  The Problem of that album, as I say in that review, is the pain generated by the listening experience.  But I still can't wait for PART II !!!

I already bought it.  I thought it was good.

Epignosis wrote: So I think what you're trying to say, T, is that The Problem of Pain Part 1 is not a good album?

So I think what you're trying to say, T, is that The Problem of Pain Part 1 is not a good album?

tuxon wrote: What happened with Torman Maxt on this site is this.   1. a reviewer rated it badly (one star) that rating was removed and caused controversy. 2. due to this controversy people reacted and listened to the album. 3. people who would normally wouldn't enjoy such album and would never even bother to listen to it suddenly decided that freedom of speech was in jeopardy so their speech should be heard. an thus they rated it with 1 star because they don't like the music (fair) but of course they don't like it for it's not music for their ears.   Basically MOB mentallity got the best of us and people who shouldn't have reviewed the album in the first place rated it with an unfair 1 star (not from individual reviewers perspective, but certainly from the Mob perspective).   they forget to be objective.   The album isn't great, but it surely isn't that bad, 3 stars for effort, maybe 1 star if you don't like jingle's or are into more heavy metal than this provides, maybe even 3,5 stars if a christian mesage appeals to you.   anyway. I like the album. and maybe I'll write a review to counter balance the negativity they unjustly get. Their not the next best thing, but still decent.     anyway good interview, always good to see someone openly talking about their fate, and what it means to them, don't like his Sarah Palin whoreshipping though.

 

Edited by someone_else - October 20 2010 at 03:29