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Points: 16130 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2010 at 13:03
Originally posted by Mr. Maestro Mr. Maestro wrote:

True, Yes was more genuinely "proggy" than Genesis in the 80's... but Genesis (with Phil Collins at the helm) made a better pop band than Yes did.  From a progressive rock standpoint, Yes wins easily... but from a purely objective, musical standpoint, I think Genesis was better at what they did (making pop music) than Yes was.


Just my opinion, though.


I think there was always more of a 'rock' element to Yes, which probably made that transition to a more pop sound harder for them.
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True, Yes was more genuinely "proggy" than Genesis in the 80's... but Genesis (with Phil Collins at the helm) made a better pop band than Yes did.  From a progressive rock standpoint, Yes wins easily... but from a purely objective, musical standpoint, I think Genesis was better at what they did (making pop music) than Yes was.

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It's a difficult one. As much as I prefer Genesis overall, I think Yes were slightly stronger in the 80's. Drama and 90125 are both excellent albums. Genesis only made one 'excellent' album in the 80's, and that was Duke.
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Yes, easily.

Drama and 90125 are legitimately good albums and I say that with no caveat. never got into 80s genesis much, though Duke and Genesis I still consider highly respectable art pop albums. I'm never in the mood for them. Invisible Touch is ok (cue American Psycho monologue) but Big Generator is the better pop album.

it's funny both bands came back and made even better albums--Talk and We Can't Dance around the same time.
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Yes gets the credit for at least attempting to bring the prog/pop worlds together. 90125 had some very strong moments. Big Generator was revolting. Genesis had nothing for me once Hackett split.

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Greetings,

Recently I've been listening to 80's era Genesis and 80's era Yes. What are your thoughts?

1980/81- Genesis: Duke & Abacab, Yes: Drama. Duke is probably regarded as the highpoint in the Genesis 80's catalog (although actually recorded in 1979) and Abacab still had longer songs (title track & Dodo/Luker). Drama was the most underrated Yes album IMO and has held up reasonably well over the years (Trevor Horn=awesome).

1983- Genesis: Shapes/Mama Album, Yes: 90125. Both groups officially go 'pop'. Genesis with That's All, Illegal Alien, etc. However there's the classic first side which includes Mama and Home by the Sea/Second Home by the Sea. Yes release their most commercially successful album with Trevor Rabin: Owner of a Lonely Heart (great video), It Can Happen, Hold On, etc. However nobody is safe in the 80's: Steve Hackett=GTR, Steve Howe=Asia/GTR, and Peter Gabriel shocks a monkey or two.

1986/87- Genesis: Invisible Touch, Yes: Big Generator. Genesis (thanks to Phil's video success) are MTV superstars (Invisible Touch, In Too Deep, Land of Confusion). Yes, not so much...but still heard on Top 40 radio with Love Will Find A Way and Rhythm of Love. Jon Anderson moves to Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe which is a step toward 'Union'.

I'm surprised by the similarities, but who do you think benefited most from the 80's (over)exposure?

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