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Points: 15745 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2010 at 21:30
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Phil Collins solo albums are a poppified form of Jazz Rock.  That is one reason why he was able to do a live Phil Collins big band tour/concert/album.  .......  I refuse to get suckered into this argument again.

Too late. TongueLOL

Look I ordered a copy of his first album on CD last year and then my house got flooded out within a few days of its arrival.  'Nuff said. Angry

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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Phil Collins solo albums are a poppified form of Jazz Rock.  That is one reason why he was able to do a live Phil Collins big band tour/concert/album.  .......  I refuse to get suckered into this argument again.

Too late. TongueLOL

Look I ordered a copy of his first album on CD last year and then my house got flooded out within a few days of its arrival.  'Nuff said. Angry
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Phil Collins solo albums are a poppified form of Jazz Rock.  That is one reason why he was able to do a live Phil Collins big band tour/concert/album.  .......  I refuse to get suckered into this argument again.
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Points: 65268 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2010 at 20:42
it is possible part of the reason Phil isn't here is due to prejudice, but the real answer remains: the vast bulk of his solo work was not progressive.  It has little to do with whether or not ATTWT or Duke are excellent albums (which they are) and more to do with material.  Hackett, Gabriel and Banks [his debut at least, and projects as Seven] have all produced albums that are clearly forms of Artrock.  Phil could, on paper I suppose, fit in ProgRelated but again it goes to material-- simply having been a part of a prog band, even one as important as Genesis, isn't grounds - musically speaking - for addition.
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Points: 21795 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2010 at 20:42
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Phil Collins will be here over Ivan's dead body.  Plain and simple.
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Points: 15745 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2010 at 20:31
It's been discussed before many times.

ProgArchives does not add artists/bands if they haven't released a single Prog release, no matter how connected with other Prog bands. Steve Hackett, Mike Rutherford, Peter Gabriel, Tony Banks and Ant Phillips have all released Progressive(or related) solo material to justify their entry.

Phil Collins is a POP artist, a good one? Maybe, you won't find love for him in the site though haha.
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He was the drummer for the band's early prog success. Isn't that enough? How is it that this site has an individual profile for 4 members of the "Lamb" line-up, and yet leaves out the very man who sat behind the drum-kit for Supper's Ready? Looking at the sites review for early Genesis, there's some vitrol dished out at Collins for the direction the group took after the Hackett departure, vitrol that is unfairly put out. Tony Banks has stated numerous times that his favorite album from the band was the Duke album, while Mike Rutherford has made no secret that the self-entitled album was, in his opinion, among bands greatest work.   
 
          Surely, the "And Then There Were Three" album was the one where Collins first became a prominent songwriter among the by then trio. So it would be natural for those who despise Genesis' later work to blame Collins for a song like Follow You/Follow Me. That was a well-known Rutherford written and composed song that, while yes, left its prog root and drew in a different audience, was not the result of Phil Collins leadership. Why Collins takes so much heat for that I have no idea. Phil should have acknowledgement discussing his Genesis career, and it certainly wouldn't hurt to acknowledge a solo album or two, like "Face Value". After all, Peter Gabriel's non-Prog "So" is acknowledged on this site. It can't hurt.
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