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Petrovsk Mizinski 
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 Posted: September 18 2009 at 06:49 |
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Horrible album.
Trash.
Disgusting.
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progmetalhead
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Posted: September 18 2009 at 06:34 |
 Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ it's the distinction between prog style and progressive approach ... it's obvious that The Incident is nothing like Genesis or Yes in terms of style. The problem, as I see it, is that many people think in terms of style *only* and completely forget the other aspects. Back in the 70s the prog artists usually used both. They invented new styles - also with the help of all new instruments like synthesizers, mellotron etc - but also had much experimentalism, avant-garde etc. in their music. IMO The Incident is a nice example of an album that has the experimentalism, avant-garde ... call it "progressive spirit" or - as I've settled for on PF - "progressive approach", but without the stylistic similarity, which makes it simply more difficult to recognize for those who look for synth solos and layers of mellotron. |
Thanks Mike! 
I knew you would explain better than I ever could and obviously I totally agree with you 
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The Sleepwalker
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Posted: September 18 2009 at 06:11 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ it's the distinction between prog style and progressive approach ... it's obvious that The Incident is nothing like Genesis or Yes in terms of style. The problem, as I see it, is that many people think in terms of style *only* and completely forget the other aspects. Back in the 70s the prog artists usually used both. They invented new styles - also with the help of all new instruments like synthesizers, mellotron etc - but also had much experimentalism, avant-garde etc. in their music. IMO The Incident is a nice example of an album that has the experimentalism, avant-garde ... call it "progressive spirit" or - as I've settled for on PF - "progressive approach", but without the stylistic similarity, which makes it simply more difficult to recognize for those who look for synth solos and layers of mellotron.
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You might be right about the progressive spirit, as the thing is a very ambitious piece of music. It does feel too inconsistant both in terms of music and style to me though. And because of that, the concept starts to fade away too IMO. What you said about experimentalism and avant-garde... I don't know. I don't think it is very avant-garde, as the Incident combines a lot of musical ideas they did before. I can hear some psychedelic, early Porcupine Tree in it, some more pop like PT from Stupid Dream, and lots of FOABP style music. By combining these things I dont think they have made much progress since FOABP at all. They don't have to, of course, but it doesn't make The Incident very avant-garde and refreshing I think.
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ I think Steven Wilson said otherwise in an interview I read ... unfortunately I don't have it here right now (at work), I can post an excerpt later.
I think that The Incident can be best called a "song cycle" ... it's a sequence of songs that are nicely connected, and there is a common theme and also some nice musical links between the songs. As far as I am concerned, it absolute screams "PROGRESSIVE" ... but - as I said above - not in terms of style. If you disagree that's fine with me, but I still think that I'm right about this. "Right" in that whatever PT do on The Incident, it should be called "progressive". |
I agree about the song cycle thing, though the album was announced as a 55 minute song and 4 song EP.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: September 18 2009 at 05:44 |
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^ I think Steven Wilson said otherwise in an interview I read ... unfortunately I don't have it here right now (at work), I can post an excerpt later.
I think that The Incident can be best called a "song cycle" ... it's a sequence of songs that are nicely connected, and there is a common theme and also some nice musical links between the songs. As far as I am concerned, it absolute screams "PROGRESSIVE" ... but - as I said above - not in terms of style. If you disagree that's fine with me, but I still think that I'm right about this. "Right" in that whatever PT do on The Incident, it should be called "progressive".
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The Sleepwalker
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Posted: September 18 2009 at 05:24 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Not progressive? Plain alternative rock? Did you even pay attention to what's going on in the music while you were listening to it?
Sorry, but even if this offends many people, I think that whoever doesn't "get" the progressiveness in The Incident does have a lot to learn about prog ...
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Then what is so prog about it? There are some progressive songs on here, I agree, but most of them are pretty straight forward. The concept doesn't make it progressive either, as the concept musically is very fragile IMO. Also, it doens't feel like a 55 minute epic suite, it feels more like a concept album. Alternative is a very wide term, and I really think The Incident fits in with it, it contains elements of various music styles (Rock, pop, trip-hop, industrial, metal etc.), and combines that. But that doesn't make it progressive though... I'm sure what the band's answer would be if you asked them if the album is prog.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: September 18 2009 at 05:17 |
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^ it's the distinction between prog style and progressive approach ... it's obvious that The Incident is nothing like Genesis or Yes in terms of style. The problem, as I see it, is that many people think in terms of style *only* and completely forget the other aspects. Back in the 70s the prog artists usually used both. They invented new styles - also with the help of all new instruments like synthesizers, mellotron etc - but also had much experimentalism, avant-garde etc. in their music. IMO The Incident is a nice example of an album that has the experimentalism, avant-garde ... call it "progressive spirit" or - as I've settled for on PF - "progressive approach", but without the stylistic similarity, which makes it simply more difficult to recognize for those who look for synth solos and layers of mellotron.
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progmetalhead
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Posted: September 18 2009 at 03:47 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Not progressive? Plain alternative rock? Did you even pay attention to what's going on in the music while you were listening to it?
Sorry, but even if this offends many people, I think that whoever doesn't "get" the progressiveness in The Incident does have a lot to learn about prog ...
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Mike, would you be kind enough to expand your views on this?
I'm genuinely interested in your opinion. PM me if you rather.
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Plankowner
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Posted: September 18 2009 at 02:21 |
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$106 dollars for the super deluxe edition! She won't even bat an eye..
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Bondarus
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Posted: September 18 2009 at 02:16 |
I really need to go out and get this.
Money is abit tight at the moment, but maybe I can convince my other to buy it for me as a wedding anniversary present?
Hey...she got some flowers and a Spa treatment... a cd can't be too much to ask surely?  |
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: September 18 2009 at 01:50 |
Not progressive? Plain alternative rock? Did you even pay attention to what's going on in the music while you were listening to it? Sorry, but even if this offends many people, I think that whoever doesn't "get" the progressiveness in The Incident does have a lot to learn about prog ...
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progkidjoel
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Posted: September 18 2009 at 01:15 |
Epignosis wrote:
But we shall see. In any event, I won't render a review after two listens like so many have done (they should be ashamed for that). |
I agree 100%
I want Porcupine Tree to do well, but it shouldn't be at the reviewer's integrity.
I haven't given it a review/rating yet, and I don't plan to for atleast 3 weeks to absorb the album more.
I do like it however, although I only really like one track on CD2 (Remember Me Lover) and I only genuinely really like about half of THE INCIDENT so far...
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: September 18 2009 at 01:06 |
^Ah, you and your intellectual counter-arguments! This would be a good point, the only problem I have with it is that you're mixing up the terms "prog" and "progressive," though. I thought this site had a thing about that.
Anyhow, I was just questioning his word choice in that regard. I don't disagree with his points, but I think the band progressed their sound and scope on this album. That doesn't mean I think it's good, but I think the arrangements of the material qualify just fine as "prog" and "progressive," without utilizing common elements among prog bands.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: September 17 2009 at 18:09 |
Moatilliatta wrote:
So it's not very progressive musically because it doesn't employ the usual musical traits of progressive music? |
If we're going to have that line of reasoning, why not just abandon the whole site? Avril Lavigne defies the conventions of prog so much she must be the most progressive artist of all time!
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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The Sleepwalker
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Posted: September 17 2009 at 15:40 |
Evolver wrote:
I picked it up yesterday, based on all the five star reviews here.
I've listened to most of the first disk.
So far, I'm unimpressed. There are a few good tracks, but nothing overwhelmingly great.
Mostly, I would call it alternative rock. Not very progressive.
Sorry guys. |
I also thought of it as alternative rock, though there are some moments that fit in with other styles more, like the middle part of Time Flies and Circle Of Maniacs. I'm, just like you, pretty unimpressed. I've got it 5 days now, and I'm already done with it actually. In the beginning it was pretty good, but now it's just ok, definitely not their best, but not their worst either.
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Evolver
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Posted: September 17 2009 at 15:06 |
Epignosis wrote:
But we shall see. In any event, I won't render a review after two listens like so many have done (they should be ashamed for that).
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I agree. I usually give a new album 3 or 4 full listens before I write a review. Unless it makes a strong impression earlier.
But as I'm going through the rest of my CD collection to review each album, I just listen once, to refresh my recolloction of my collection.
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Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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Epignosis
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Posted: September 17 2009 at 14:57 |
Evolver wrote:
I picked it up yesterday, based on all the five star reviews here.
I've listened to most of the first disk.
So far, I'm unimpressed. There are a few good tracks, but nothing overwhelmingly great.
Mostly, I would call it alternative rock. Not very progressive.
Sorry guys. |
This is precisely what I'm concerned about (I ordered the album yesterday and should get it sometime next week).
I have a feeling it will be overblown like In Absentia (no offense to those who love it, as I myself gave that album a four), which is to say, not really prog at all, but just good rock songs.
But we shall see. In any event, I won't render a review after two listens like so many have done (they should be ashamed for that).
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Evolver
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Posted: September 17 2009 at 14:53 |
I picked it up yesterday, based on all the five star reviews here.
I've listened to most of the first disk.
So far, I'm unimpressed. There are a few good tracks, but nothing overwhelmingly great.
Mostly, I would call it alternative rock. Not very progressive.
Sorry guys.
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el böthy
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Posted: September 17 2009 at 14:40 |
Moatilliatta wrote:
So it's not very progressive musically because it doesn't employ the usual musical traits of progressive music? |
Oh, not this sh*t. If you´ve heard the album you know what I mean. Progressive? Musically not that much. Artistic? Most definitly.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: September 17 2009 at 12:31 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Now that's totally funny as I phoned in to my most used local chain store and they said they didn't have it. I was able to pick it up at my local independent store though. As to what I think about it? Sounds good to me, but not the best thing since sliced bread. Not that I was expecting to be blown away anyway. Still a nice addition to my collection.
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Sliced bread ... that's not exactly in the spirit of progressiveness anyway. 
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Moatilliatta
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Posted: September 17 2009 at 11:55 |
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So it's not very progressive musically because it doesn't employ the usual musical traits of progressive music?
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