Who invented prog?

Atavachron wrote: Hercules wrote: Procol Harum or The Moody Blues at about the same time. correct, with slightly more weight to Harum

Thank you. I agree that Procul Harum probably just got in first. Their self-titled debut and Shine on Brightly have more than enough elements of prog to be considered true prog albums and the debut was released just before the Moodies released Days of Future Passed.

But anyone suggesting King Crimson must have a very limited knowledge of prog since several other bands had released albums that are clearly prog well before In the Court of the Crimson King, even if this album was perhaps the first to use the swathes of mellotron that some consider the defining feature of prog. Floyd released 2 albums that are undeniably prog before KC released their first album.

It seems to me that some on here will vote for KC in ANY poll no matter what.

Petrovsk Mizinski wrote: stonebeard wrote: Marillion Nah man it was Stonebeard

No they were hacks. Marillion also invented electronica, hip-hop, philosophy, and the Ginsu knife.

Marillion

Henry Plainview wrote: Petrovsk Mizinski wrote: There have been so many of this same poll basically, a better question to ask: Who invented the Who was the inventor of prog poll? Robert Fripp and Frank Zappa collaborated on it.

so emo and lame

Petrovsk Mizinski wrote: There have been so many of this same poll basically, a better question to ask: Who invented the Who was the inventor of prog poll?

Edited by Henry Plainview - May 16 2009 at 00:46

Albert Einstein, with Darwin influences

Mr Keith Emerson

both the Nice's and Procol Harum's debuts were released in '67, making them both strong contenders as bands offering a music that was beginning to seriously move forward from the art-psych of the 1960s into a movement..   ItCotCK may be the first 'prog record' with all important elements come together but clearly the Nice and PH were onto something years before Crimson had even formed, Fripp still doing his kitsch stuff with Giles,Giles&Fripp.






Edited by Atavachron - May 15 2009 at 20:42

M@x...

I haven't voted, and I'm not going to.

 

The point at which Prog came about doesn't/didn't exist, as (like many other musical forms) it evolved over a period of time, involving several artists/bands, to which you could also add 'artistic movements' (e.g. the British 'Underground' scene, the UFO Club, IT all-night events). Somewhere on the PA site (I don't think it's on the forum) is a fairly convincing argument abouth how THEY think it came about.

What MAY be a better line of discussion is to pin-point bands, albums, events, etc that defined the DIRECTION of music to(wards) Prog. On that line of thought, I would suggest "Rubber Soul" by The Beatles, "Piper at the Gates of Dawn" by Pink Floyd (together with the all-night concerts they did at Alexandra Palace) and "In the Court of the Crimson King" by King Crimson.

As an example, the Progressive heart of Genesis was, almost certainly, Steve Hackett - what influenced him to go prog? I do know that he was at The Speakeasy at King Crimson's first ever gig (April 1969) when he was only 17. Therefore, it's a fairly safe bet that Genesis followed King Crimson on the Prog route. Similarly, Bill Bruford said in an interview that Yes regarded Crimson's "In the Wake of Poseidon" as an artistic standard. So, what influenced Crimson? If you keep going back along these lines, THAT may answer a few questions.