Scorpions for Krautrock or prog related

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So, the debate comes down to "started out with prog aspects (Lonesome Crow), Fly to the Rainbow has Suite length and structured song (Title song), include the fact that until Roth's departure, each album featured one or a few acoustic tunes that could be compared in style and setting to those found on Uriah Heep's first few releases (come away melinda).
Krautrock is a no-brainer. The Scorps were never that "pure" in their sound, ever. Heavy Prog might be a stretch, but should their validity here be based on the first 1/3 of their releases, or do we condemn them for their more radio friendly stylings on later albums. Although, if you listen to the song Animal Magnetism from that same album, that aspect of their music was part of their sound until the halfway point of their collection.
Prog Related is a good fit because Yes, they do have much in their music that would be of interest to prog fans. Not all prog fans. But then most if not all PR bands can't claim that either.
Forget "Still Loving You". Kansas was not judged based on "Play The Game". Miles Davis was not included becaude of "the Birth of Cool".
If you want to present a valid arguement against, you must know what music was on Lonesome Crow. At the very least, some the next 3-4 if you want to be fair.

Raff wrote: Sorry to contradict you, but if you don't like an album, you have the right not to buy it - just as the musicians have the right to play whatever music they see fit. I may dislike commercial music, but let's be honest for once - playing 'for the money' is certainly not the same as peddling drugs or weapons, or trafficking in human beings.

Of course!Don't worry,I always buy cd's I will be able to enjoy.Moreover music is my main passion and when I think about commercial music I sometimes lose my temper.

Sorry to contradict you, but if you don't like an album, you have the right not to buy it - just as the musicians have the right to play whatever music they see fit. I may dislike commercial music, but let's be honest for once - playing 'for the money' is certainly not the same as peddling drugs or weapons, or trafficking in human beings. 

fusionfreak wrote: No!1st album is good with progressive moments(the 13 minute track is a proof) but Scorpions are not Krautrock at all:no psychedelic(and sometimes drug induced)jams,no electro acoustic effects,apparently no political commitment,moreover they seem to lack madness and don't feel like being visionary.I also would like to add that I recently watched a documentary about Krautrock where Scorpions were considered as being part of this movement.Sorry for saying that but Scorpions have nothing to do with the likes of Can,Ash Ra Tempel,Amon Duul 2,Guru Guru......By the way Scorpions took part in a french TV program(it was in the nineties)called Club Dorothée where they played part of their bullsh*t such as Still Loving You!

Was the bullsh*t part really necessary? I wonder why some people simply can't show at least a minimum amount of respect for the musicians involved.

I am a fan of the Scorpions.They are a very difficult group to classify really,even within each period.The Lonesome Crow album group was basically a different group than when Uli Jon Roth took over.When he took over the guitar duties the Scorpions had basically disbanded but emalgamated with Uli's Dawn Road group (3 members) with the 2 remaining Scorpion members.The sound changed from their hard Psychodelic sound with jazz/classical avant-garde guitar playing from 17 year old Michael Schenker to a hard progressive rock / rock & roll fusion (with Uli).Uli Jon Roth's guitar playing was absolutely oustanding however Eric Patrick Clapton, James Marshall Hendrix, John Dawson Winter III (johnny winter)
Jean-Baptiste Reinhardt , Jan Akkerman , Jeffery Arnold Beck , Andrés Segovia Torres Jean-Baptiste Reinhardt, Jan Akkerman, Jeffery Arnold Beck, Andrés Segovia Torres Yehudi Menuhin (violin), Frédéric François Chopin being his influences.The rhythm playing of Rudolph Schenker & the percussion was basic hard rock.As time went on the group was influenced by the increasingly more popular metal sound developed by Judas Priest etc. which lead to Uli Jon Roth leaving the group in 1978.

The Lovedrive album actually has Uli Jon Roth & a returning Michael Schenker.This album had some tracks that would interest Progressive metal fans but also had basic 80's style power metal as well.They gradually developed a more commercial metal sound from there on.Which is the time I started to loose interest in them, although Animal Magnitism still had some adventurous musical elements on it , athough with a doom laden feel (Meine's vocal problems adding to the Doominess - range limited at top end).Since then my only real interest with them has been the superb vocals of Klaus Meine although lyrics are dumbed down since this period.

 

In 1973 Uli Jon Roth liked these albums :-

 Wilhelm Furtwängler, Johannes Brahms, "Violin Concerto" Title 77, D major (Joconda De Vito, RAI Turin Orchestra 1952 was estimated to be record.)
Herbert von Karajan Ludwig van Beethoven , Berliner Philharmoniker 1962 Herbert von Karajan, Ludwig van Beethoven, Symphony No. 5 C minor works 67 "fate", (Berliner Philharmoniker 1962 March or April 1982 and recorded 11 or recording is unknown)
Jimi Hendrix ,　AXIS: BOLD AS LOVE , ELECTRIC LADY LAND , BAND OF GYPSIES  Jimi Hendrix, The AXIS: BOLD AS LOVE, and the ELECTRIC LADY LAND, and the BAND OF GYPSIES,
Jeff Beck , BLOW BY BLOW Jeff Beck, The BLOW BY BLOW,
YES , RELAYER ( The Gates of Delirium ) YES, the RELAYER (especially "The Gates of Delirium")

debrewguy wrote: I believe that the Scorpions achieved way too much success for too many here at PA to truly admit that they really haven't listened to the album(s) that are cited as supporting their candidacy (no matter the sub-genre).

No way! I don't think having a 13 min track is enough argument to get them here and even on Krautrock which will be totally out of context. The rolling stones also have an 11 minute track

Now that´s talk I can relate to debrewguy. Many people commenting on suggestions haven´t listened to anything but the MySpace songs ( if even that) and seldom the albums that the one suggesting the artist mentions as being their most progressive. This is particularly true in the case of famous artists IMO. It´s such a struggle to get anyone to evaluate artists like that. Personally I pick my fights and leave the hard ones alone ( with a few exceptions of course). I simply don´t have time to discuss for hours and hours if it´s not a band I feel something special for. It´s really a shame. Valuable collaborator time is wasted.

At the moment I don't support the Scorps for inclusion to ProgRelated, however;  their material with Michael Schenker and particularly Uli Roth is among the most important in progressing metal, especially the guitar-oriented tech forwarded by Randy Rhoads, Brian May, Schenker's solo work, EVH, and Yngwie.  The Scorps were doing very high-end hard rock for the time, and their impact should not be underestimated.