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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 16:58 |
rushfan4 wrote:
FWIW, I do find it interesting that Micky, who is on the Crossover prog team which is probably the closest in relation to where Sting might fit in, if he were to fit in, says that consideration is worth serious discussion, where as the two prog metal guys both weigh in and immediately dismiss him, given that that category may be the furthest away in sound to Sting. That being said, I failed to mention in my previous post that although the thought of him being included on PA did cross my mind, I figured it was too much of a longshot to even mention. Although some of his music might definitely apply, like the most controversial cases, he is too well known as a non-prog artist to ever get serious consideration (and probably for that matter, deserve serious consideration). |
I know his music *very* well ... please don't think that just because I'm on the prog metal team that's the only genre I know something about.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 16:58 |
debrewguy wrote:
Would Stink garner the same support if the Police had been a prog band ?
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I believe that's pronounced Stin g.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Logan
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 16:35 |
They don't use the progfreak team charts for one thing.
I haven't heard any Sting solo compositions that would make me think he was suitable for Prog Related. What would be his most progressive and experimental material? I don't know his solo music well.
When I think about whether an artist is prog-related, I like to think about which prog subs that artist/ band has the most in common with, and which bands/ artists in the archives it has the most in common with in terms of compositional approach (an obvious approach to take). In the case of Sting, we know he would have the most in common with those in Xover (at least becuase he has the pop element, but that's not the progressive part of the equation), but it's better to think of core progressive movements, say psych, krautrock, jazz-rock, Canterbury, symph, experimental/ avant etc (noting that there can be overlap).
I'd appreciate it if links to his proggiest music were made available (may be ones on myspace and youtube).
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 15:54 |
NaturalScience wrote:
The T wrote:
Shouldn't he get the same chance as any other band? Added to a chart, voted upon by genre-team members, and rejected or approved??
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But the suggestion was for prog-related - from what I understand, it doesn't work the same way as suggestions for the actual prog subs...micky explained this to me once, perhaps he can shed some light once again...
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Er.. well... ..... ....
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 15:22 |
What is this Sting you guys are talking about?
<Goes back into cave for another 20 years>
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 15:20 |
The T wrote:
Shouldn't he get the same chance as any other band? Added to a chart, voted upon by genre-team members, and rejected or approved??
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But the suggestion was for prog-related - from what I understand, it doesn't work the same way as suggestions for the actual prog subs...micky explained this to me once, perhaps he can shed some light once again...
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 15:09 |
Shouldn't he get the same chance as any other band? Added to a chart, voted upon by genre-team members, and rejected or approved??
I guess only because he's famous and makes (mostly) pop music doesn't mean we can't follow the same procedures....
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 14:21 |
I was blind-sided by the Gabriel/Sting connection via their affinity for world music. Is it possible that Ol' Pete had an advantage in coming from Prog Gods Genesis ? Would Stink garner the same support if the Police had been a prog band ? I leave the thinking to you.
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 14:13 |
Sting is a great musician. Great music. Police was fantastic.
NOT prog or related. We sure try to stretch things around here sometimes.
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rushfan4
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 14:07 |
FWIW, I do find it interesting that Micky, who is on the Crossover prog team which is probably the closest in relation to where Sting might fit in, if he were to fit in, says that consideration is worth serious discussion, where as the two prog metal guys both weigh in and immediately dismiss him, given that that category may be the furthest away in sound to Sting. That being said, I failed to mention in my previous post that although the thought of him being included on PA did cross my mind, I figured it was too much of a longshot to even mention. Although some of his music might definitely apply, like the most controversial cases, he is too well known as a non-prog artist to ever get serious consideration (and probably for that matter, deserve serious consideration).
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 13:50 |
He's Jazz-Related ... that's as far as I go. And I loved the 9/8 signature in I Hung My Head!
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - August 04 2008 at 13:51
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 13:46 |
I can't figure out how Sting would be even remotely Prog Related.
@topic creator...maybe you can write Prog Lucky and have him add him like you claimed you did with GPS.a band which was rejected by every genre team that considered them and who were subsequently REMOVED from the database.
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rushfan4
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 13:39 |
I think where the prog-related thinking might come in is that "intelligent" pop tag mentioned above. Something that I can easily confuse is intelligent rock with progressive rock. And of course, my motto is that if it is in my collection it must be prog and I do have his discography, except for the most recent release. Also, Sting is similar to Peter Gabriel in his mixture of world music and jazz with his pop rock sound. When I listened to all of his albums a couple of months back, the thought did cross my mind that he might fit in to a category such as crossover or prog-related. P.S. I'm not saying that since Peter Gabriel (X) is here than Sting (Y) should be here. I'm just mentioning the similiarity in the use of world music.
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 13:25 |
I like Sting a lot, but there's nothing really "proggy" in any of his music, as far as I've heard. And I own almost all his records.
The story of the formation of The Police have a lot of prog connections to it...interesting read for anyone that cares, check the wiki on "Strontium 90 (band)" for example.
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 13:17 |
He was in the same band (The Police) as Stewart Copeland (ex Curved Air) and Andy Summers (ex Dantalions Chariot,Eric Burdon's New Animals and collaborations with Robert Fripp) so, prog related...maybe...
Edited by Man Erg - August 04 2008 at 13:17
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Easy Money
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 13:13 |
Sting is a damn good intelligent pop musician, just like Stevie Wonder, Prince and Paul Simon, but I don't think he is prog-rock.
Edited by Easy Money - August 04 2008 at 13:19
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 13:09 |
Sting..?
not even Prog-remotely-related
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 12:30 |
micky wrote:
Punk? Sting? hahhahahhahhahah.
It amazes me how people love to throw labels around here.
Find me ONE Sting album that has a trace of punk in it and I'll eat my f**king hat hahahhahhahahah
Now if we are talking the Police and PR that is a bit on the extreme... however... for Sting though. That is one that does merit some discussion.. serious discussion... within the appropriate genre teams. Since it seems some would rather throw tags around than actually show they listen to the music.
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I'm taking about SOME connection with Punk via The Police.........I haven't said he made Punk music or anything similar, so before correcting me, better read the post,
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - August 04 2008 at 12:33
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 08:05 |
I've heard a few of his solo albums and don't really hear anything prog-related in them. It's a no from me.
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 05:09 |
Punk? Sting? hahhahahhahhahah.
It amazes me how people love to throw labels around here.
Find me ONE Sting album that has a trace of punk in it and I'll eat my f**king hat hahahhahhahahah
Now if we are talking the Police and PR that is a bit on the extreme... however... for Sting though. That is one that does merit some discussion.. serious discussion... within the appropriate genre teams. Since it seems some would rather throw tags around than actually show they listen to the music.
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