Boston???

The answer is rather simple but opinions make it vague.


I personally am happy to vote to include "non-Prog" bands which have the following criteria:

1. They have been heavily influenced by Prog Rock in a way that can be demonstrated via documentary evidence or obvious traits in their music.
2. They have influenced Prog Rock bands in a way that can be documented.
3. They satisfy either of the above criteria and create music that will either be of interest to Prog Rock fans who wouldnt normally listen to the band because of negative pre-conceptions of the band or of interest to non-Prog fans who might use them as stepping stone to real Prog by finding them on our site.


Edited by Tony R - November 13 2007 at 07:19

erik neuteboom wrote: Well Bob, I think the debates about possible additions will only become more and more serious and heated because in my opinion it is so subjective

Of course it is subjective, this is music - "serious & heated" are fine, indeed sometimes necessary, but personal insults are not.

Let's keep it clean guys, yes?

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ghost_of_morphy wrote: Melgar, I feel no further need to respond to your slanderous posts, your obtuse persistence in your own opinion, your unbalanced rants, your dishonest dismissal of what has been said or any other thing you say in this thread.  Anybody who cares to can go through these posts and make up their own minds about them.   Not that I suspect many people will care to make that effort.    Now let me once again offer you some very good advice that you would be wise to heed.   Grow up.   Move on.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 13 2007 at 02:07

Doesn't the simple fact of if people like Boston or not effect the original intentions for this poll , i personally like Boston so I'd be happy to see them here,  but that shouldn't be the reason I vote Yes should it ?  however if I am to consider Tracks Boston have Done like Foreplay , The Journey , The Launch , Walk On Melody  there's little doubt Boston is prog related and should be added ASAP 


As far as Toto goes I believe they too had several prog related songs Child's Anthem, Hydra, Saint George & The Dragon , Home Of The Brave  , the entire Dune Album  many moments on their latest CD "Falling In Between"   so maybe in order to bring this site up to speed admin should take a listen and compare this semi progressive stuff to some of the questionables who are already here.

Journey should be here too  , listen to their first album and see for yourself

I started a thread a while ago wanted to add Boston it was just after Brad Delp passed away I wanted to celebrate his life here at prog archives sadly it fell on deaf ears and never happened   ...  so here we are again ..  and we will keep returning to this point , the Boston thing won't just go away too many prog fans are interested in them or have been into them at some stage  Boston are so prog related they are a stepping stone to  prog  .. 

its amazing to think bands like Magnum & Triumph (who I like BTW) are here but these bands are not .. I know its a prog site but these bands like Boston etc draw in a wider audience and make prog a part of the unaware to prog typical peoples  lives too and that's got to be worth while thinking about. In a sense this site would be lifting its profile adding such a mighty dinosaur aor  prog related band like Boston ... wait ... prog would be gaining big time.

You know when you are sitting at home watching a quiz show on the TV and you know the answer to the the million dollar question and you shout at the television but nobody hears you  ? ...  that's how this feels


Edited by Yorkie X - November 13 2007 at 09:47

I like Boston, but prog rock they are most certainly not.

ghost_of_morphy wrote: Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: [   That was Ghost of Morphy style, lie from the start and that's called trolling.     I find this to be offensive.  I do not understand why you are so belligerant,   I understand that having your fallacious resoning pointed out is unpleasant, but why should it provoke person attacks?   Grow up.  Move on.

1. You invented phrases I never said, dared you to quote me and you couldn't
2. You accused me of starting the Toto and Phil Collins issue, and you were the one who did it.

   • ghost_of_morphy wrote:   Phil Collins and Toto both have a strong case for prog-related in my opinion.  (Not that I'm a fan of Toto by any means.)

   • ghost_of_morphy wrote: It would be clearly idiotic to claim that a guy who PLAYED in one of the seminal progressive rock bands was not the slightest bit influenced MUSICALLY by what he had spent a decade playing., and no doubt Phil Collins fans, should there be any, could point out exactly where those influences manifest themselves.  So condition #1 is clearly fulfilled for Collins, and a strong argument could be made on that basis for the Pocaros' as well.

3. You said that Toto and Phil Collins had a strong case and them after Easy Livin posted, you changed your post and said you agree that Toto and Phil Collins should not be added.

   • ghost_of_morphy wrote:   This may be the most interesting comment in the whole thread, as it provides a clear and concise reason why Boston should be included, why Toto should be excluded, and why Phil Collins solo should probably be excluded as well.

4. You called me an idiot in page two and obtuse in page three and you dare to be offended?

Every word I say is supported by quotes, even when you started in the Phil Collins issue, insisted on it and said that any person who don't believe he's influential for Prog (solo career was idioti, just to change your position to say that Collins and Toto were never an issue.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 12 2007 at 23:04

sircosick wrote: Sorry Iván, but you was the first who mentioned at least Europe, specifically....... We shouldn't care about Toto, Journey or PC; we're talking about Boston.   Yes, but that was a REPLY Sircosick, I didn't included other bands in this thread until the isuue had been started, look at the order of the posts, and BTW, I was being sarcastic with Europe. And did I refer to Dust In The Wind...? I find the average Kansas song (I've listened to PONR & Leftoverture) similar to some outstanding Boston early stuff.... such Foreplay/Long Time. And do not deny that Kansas has always been way more popular than any other sympho band: that's why I said they've always flirted with AOR.   Hetre we disagree, I find Kansas 100% Prog from their debut until Leftoverture, but that's a theme for another thread.   Butb please, don't stop there read all my post and you'll see 90% of the things I'm accused were not started by me and how the opinions of some people like Ghost of Morphy change depending on the circumstances.   If I say something, I stick to it, i don't change my opinion because it's not popular.   BTW: Popularity has no relation with AOR.   Iván

I don't know about this. But if we create a new subgenre called "regional prog" or something like that? Then we could all all those geographic-related bands that aren't so prog but that somehow could end up here. Chicago, Kansas, Boston, Asia, America, and let's add Europe, Alabama, and any other you can think of... and peace will reign supreme....