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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 09:57
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Since this site claims to be English only, then it seems to me we should use correct English (I know, my spelling is horrendous). Progressive is a real word that is defined in the dictionary so that it can be referenced to clarify things or settle an argument.
Making up words like Prog (or prog) and giving them arbitrary definitions is confusing and no help to those who are new to English. Besides, I don't mean to be dramatic, but arbitrarily rewritting definitions seems a bit Orwellian and is an easy way to distort history.
It just seems silly to say that prog is anything but short for progressive.
In as much as I would agree with you semantically. When a word is used to prefix a style of music it's original meaning becomes moot. For example Pop-Music was originally intended to signify Popular Music, Folk-Music has little to do with the dictionalry definition of the world Folk, where is the soul in Soul? and there is nothing classical about modern Classical music. (I'll stop here before we even begin to consider the etymological root of the word Jazz Shocked)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 09:49
Since this site claims to be English only, then it seems to me we should use correct English (I know, my spelling is horrendous). Progressive is a real word that is defined in the dictionary so that it can be referenced to clarify things or settle an argument.
Making up words like Prog (or prog) and giving them arbitrary definitions is confusing and no help to those who are new to English. Besides, I don't mean to be dramatic, but arbitrarily rewritting definitions seems a bit Orwellian and is an easy way to distort history.
It just seems silly to say that prog is anything but short for progressive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 05:55
If it weren't for the internet my music collection might be a bit more manageable. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 05:49
Here in Germany the big stores stock most of the new prog releases by larger labels like Inside Out ... but only like 1-5 CDs of each new release, and except for some rare exceptions (Porcupine Tree for example) they don't re-order when they're out of stock. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 05:37
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by darqdean darqdean wrote:

HMV has a section called Metal - 60% of what's in there I do not consider to be Metal at all (when does Green Carnation come just before Green Day in Metal?) - I would not trust HMV to correctly classify anything as Prog for they would have a section in there for Solo Phil Collins and GY!BE would reside alongside Sigor Ros in the Dance section. Disapprove



I wish that in record stores they would just sort *all* the artists/bands alphabetically and leave it at that. Not because genres suck, but because they simply don't know the artists well enough.


Doesn't really matter, my local chain stores don't ever seem to stock what I'm looking for anyway. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 05:16
Originally posted by darqdean darqdean wrote:

HMV has a section called Metal - 60% of what's in there I do not consider to be Metal at all (when does Green Carnation come just before Green Day in Metal?) - I would not trust HMV to correctly classify anything as Prog for they would have a section in there for Solo Phil Collins and GY!BE would reside alongside Sigor Ros in the Dance section. Disapprove



I wish that in record stores they would just sort *all* the artists/bands alphabetically and leave it at that. Not because genres suck, but because they simply don't know the artists well enough.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 05:16
There have been some useful and constructive posts along the way. let's give it a day or two to see if these continue.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 04:02
Originally posted by cacha71 cacha71 wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

no no no you`ve got it all wrong  progressive rock is more progressive than progressive rock . But sometimes progressive rock can be more progressive. Sometimes. But only when it`s more progressive.
 
Good point.  If you didn't know that it was called Prog or progressive, what would you call it?  Why don't we all just enjoy the music and not worry too much about what label to attach!
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 03:03
Well, I suppose my question wasn't clear enough, or, as someone said, I just asked something that had been already discussed a million of times... I thank all those people who tried to answer my question in a constructive way (BTW, great review, Cheesecakemouse!Thumbs%20Up). However, half of this thread has been taken up by useless banter, which I found just a tad disrespectful. Therefore, I'd be grateful to the Admins if they could close it, at least for the time being.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 02:32
Prog simply doesn't exist as a term for me. In  spanish, if I say "prog" I'm saying nothing. The terms here can be "Rock (...) Progresivo" o "Rock sinfónico". Due to society's lack of interest, the subgenres discussed here are nothing but labels for iTunes or winamp that everybody laughs about.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 02:27
Originally posted by Sckxyss Sckxyss wrote:

I've never, ever heard anyone refer to prog as Prog with a capital P, (...)
 
And you've been here since May?
 
Surely the site's name would have been your introduction to the word "Prog" Tongue
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 00:16
Check out my Kraftwerk Computerworld review, I asked some of the questions about what is progressive in the forums there in the review.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2007 at 00:14
Originally posted by Sckxyss Sckxyss wrote:

I've never, ever heard anyone refer to prog as Prog with a capital P, now all these definitions are based on whether or not the word is capitalized. It's getting ridiculous! Why can't prog just be a short form for progressive rock?!
 
For God's sake, it's simply a matter of grammar
 
  1. Progressive Rock is a name of a genre....proper nouns are written with capital letters
  2. progressive is an adjective...........adjectives use low case
  3. Prog is an abbreviation of Progressive Rock...Abbreviations follow the same rules for capital letters as complete words do, so if Progressive Rock uses Capital P, then Prog. does too.

As simple as that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2007 at 23:54
I've never, ever heard anyone refer to prog as Prog with a capital P, now all these definitions are based on whether or not the word is capitalized. It's getting ridiculous! Why can't prog just be a short form for progressive rock?!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2007 at 23:42
Originally posted by Yorkie X Yorkie X wrote:

Unfortunately there's another type of "progressive" music getting around its a techno dance type thing and its really starting to steal our title (crap is king and the good don't last long)  anyway my point is calling what we like "prog" is the best solution the term progressive has been hijacked by something almost as bad if not worse than punk. I couldn't believe the audacity when I first heard about this progressive dance crap  like how dare they !  Angry
 
A year agio a kid came and ranted "WTF, no Progressive House bands" LOL
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2007 at 22:47
 ^ tell that to the good people of Prague Stern%20Smile              Clown


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2007 at 22:44
Prog isn't a real word, it means nothing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2007 at 22:28
Unfortunately there's another type of "progressive" music getting around its a techno dance type thing and its really starting to steal our title (crap is king and the good don't last long)  anyway my point is calling what we like "prog" is the best solution the term progressive has been hijacked by something almost as bad if not worse than punk. I couldn't believe the audacity when I first heard about this progressive dance crap  like how dare they !  Angry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2007 at 19:54
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I have Pat Benatar albums, but I draw the line at Barbara Streisand.

Based on that premise that all my albums are prog, I also have a Paula Abdul and a couple of Samantha Fox CDs that snuck into my collection in a moment of weakness.  Progressive bubblegum???



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2007 at 19:46

HMV has a section called Metal - 60% of what's in there I do not consider to be Metal at all (when does Green Carnation come just before Green Day in Metal?) - I would not trust HMV to correctly classify anything as Prog for they would have a section in there for Solo Phil Collins and GY!BE would reside alongside Sigor Ros in the Dance section. Disapprove

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