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ozzy_tom
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Posted: April 18 2007 at 06:19 |
definitive prog band = ELP :-)
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soundspectrum
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Posted: April 18 2007 at 02:43 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
I believe you are forgetting that while KC is one of the most legendary prog bands of all time, they never had a full time keyboardist! This is primary to prog rock especially in the 70's. |
but dont you think that the fact they were better than any band with a fulltime keyboarbist that it makes them that much better.
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Tommydouglas
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Posted: April 18 2007 at 01:39 |
Yes is my favourite band, but Gentle Giant seem to exemplify the Platonic Prog-rock band. To have a truly prog-rock band you have to have hints of medieval English style madrigals and GG has it in spades plus all the other stuff--time sig. changes and four-part vocal harmonies with cool keyboard pyrotechnics.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 23:23 |
The two that come to mind are King Crimson and Genesis.
Notice which is first.
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Dim
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 23:13 |
I believe you are forgetting that while KC is one of the most legendary prog bands of all time, they never had a full time keyboardist! This is primary to prog rock especially in the 70's.
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Logan
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 23:04 |
Yes, If there is a definitive Prog band, it's King Crimson.
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Ixtlan
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 22:47 |
Only YES reached the top of the mountain, as short-lived as it was.
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thellama73
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 22:27 |
I'm not sure if there is a definitive Prog band, but if there is it is without a doubt King Crimson.
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The T
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 22:18 |
I might go with KC, but I don't like them (except ITCOTCK), and it's difficult to me to define the genre I love the most with a band I just don't like.... What does that say? Believe me, my observation is logical. I CAN'T define my favorite genre with a band I don't like. I won't say DT either, it's my favorite band but please, there's no question they have nothing to do in this poll. So I'll go with Genesis, who defines prog with just two words:
Supper's Ready
And Three more:
Fifth of Firth
And three albums:
Foxtrot
Selling England by the Pound
TLLDOB
Nursery Cryme (oops, 4)
And 5 names:
Collins
Gabriel
Banks
Rutherford
Hackett
Sorry, King Crimson is not a band but a man's idea (FRIPP), and I just don't agree with their nomination.
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lightbulb_son
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Joined: March 20 2006
Location: United States
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 22:17 |
While not anywhere close to all-encompassing, I believe that Crimson come the closest to defining the progressive spirit and style.
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When the world is sick
Can't no one be well
But I dreamt we were all
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Garion81
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 22:13 |
Since the music is diverse (check our Genre discussions) I don't believe any such animal exists.
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Ghandi 2
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 22:05 |
None. But Crimson probably comes the closest (even though I don't like them at all).
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micky
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 21:50 |
pantacruelgruel wrote:
micky wrote:
pantacruelgruel wrote:
I think that the definitive prog band is
undefinable due to alack of an agreed framework to define what would
make a band the definitive one. Prog , that is. Band, I mean. Or rather, it's just a matter of my opinion. Being right, or wrong, but not definitive.
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probably true ...to a point... however I think it is hard to
argue past these 4 groups.. that helped define it... popularize it..
and whose output and/or influence spans decades
Floyd
King Crimson
ELP
Yes.
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Oops
, you're forgetting groups like Status Quo, Foghat, AC/DC, Kiss,
Aerosmith who helped define what prog is not. Their contribution cannot
be overestimated. Sometimes, it seems easier to say this or that group
is not prog, rather than the reverse.
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you can't define what prog is not.. until you have had someone define what prog IS...
come on... I'm not that old...
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 21:48 |
micky wrote:
pantacruelgruel wrote:
I think that the definitive prog band is
undefinable due to alack of an agreed framework to define what would
make a band the definitive one. Prog , that is. Band, I mean. Or rather, it's just a matter of my opinion. Being right, or wrong, but not definitive.
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probably true ...to a point... however I think it is hard to
argue past these 4 groups.. that helped define it... popularize it..
and whose output and/or influence spans decades
Floyd
King Crimson
ELP
Yes.
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Oops , you're forgetting groups like Status Quo, Foghat, AC/DC, Kiss, Aerosmith who helped define what prog is not. Their contribution cannot be overestimated. Sometimes, it seems easier to say this or that group is not prog, rather than the reverse.
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rileydog22
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Joined: August 24 2005
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 21:44 |
The definition of Prog:
Anything King Crimson has done or is doing.
Edited by rileydog22 - April 17 2007 at 21:45
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The Lost Chord
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 21:43 |
Peter Gabriels' GENESIS!
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Speesh
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 21:39 |
Even though I hate choosing a definitive prog rock band, I'll have to agree with Crimson also. They're probably the most popular band that has always been cutting edge. They started out by popularizing the genre, then strayed from that path to progress throughout their career. From In the Court..., to Lizard, Lark's Tongues, Red, Discipline, all of which are essential. Even their recent releases are as progressive and cutting edge as they were years ago, even if the quality may not be as good.
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micky
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 21:33 |
pantacruelgruel wrote:
I think that the definitive prog band is
undefinable due to alack of an agreed framework to define what would
make a band the definitive one. Prog , that is. Band, I mean. Or rather, it's just a matter of my opinion. Being right, or wrong, but not definitive.
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probably true ...to a point... however I think it is hard to
argue past these 4 groups.. that helped define it... popularize it..
and whose output and/or influence spans decades
Floyd
King Crimson
ELP
Yes.
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 21:28 |
I think that the definitive prog band is undefinable due to alack of an agreed framework to define what would make a band the definitive one. Prog , that is. Band, I mean. Or rather, it's just a matter of my opinion. Being right, or wrong, but not definitive.
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micky
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Posted: April 17 2007 at 21:09 |
chofel wrote:
I have to say Genesis !!! In their work from the
knife until Winds & wuthering I think they did
everything |
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this isn't about your favorite band....
Genesis were playing town Halls when the big boys were defining prog...
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