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The Rock
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 30 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 746 |
Posted: November 22 2006 at 19:53 | |||
No they don't!
And even if they did,that shouldn't stop them from being included here.
If Led Zeppelin,Uriah Heep,Iron Maiden,Wishbone Ash,Queen,ect....are on PA so should GOLDEN EARRING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sasquamo
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 26 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 828 |
Posted: November 22 2006 at 19:31 | |||
You'll never understand, Hierophant, prog doesn't have to be complex, lots of prog repeats itself, like, uh, krautrock, and...nothing else I guess, but the bottom line is, Led Zeppelin is definitely a prog band because it's awesome and I love it. (I'm being sarcastic, of course, Kashmir is one of the worst, most boring songs to disgrace my ears.) |
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Hierophant
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 11 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 651 |
Posted: November 22 2006 at 19:13 | |||
Kashmir prog? you mean the same song that goes like this for about 12 minutes or so... DUN DUN DUN... DUN DUN DUN... DUN DUN DUN... DUN DUN DUN... DUN DUN DUN... DUN DUN DUN... DUN DUN DUN... prog at its finest Edited by Hierophant - November 22 2006 at 19:14 |
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floydisgod
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Posted: November 22 2006 at 19:11 | |||
I like the inclusion of Led Zeppelin due to their influence... I think PA should keep an inclusive attitude towards great bands that have influenced prog rock bands.
Possibly The Who (for popularizing concept albums), The Doors (proto-prog), and Jimi Hendrix Experience (though not as much as the other two) for future consideration??? |
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valravennz
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Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:48 | |||
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"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
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The Wizard
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 18 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 7341 |
Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:47 | |||
I love that movie! Led Zeppelin are amazing. They deserve all the praise they get and they were just as interesting as many prog acts. So just live it.
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valravennz
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Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:45 | |||
Here, here Mouse - Led Zeppelin were not too well received until "Stairway" hit the airwaves - then the group became popular with a broader rock music audience. I am pleased to see them acknowledged on PA. I think they have a wide influence not just on prog bands but on rock music in general. Their musical influence is similar to the Beatles I think - not really specific but enough to make them legendary to many rock bands and musicians to this day
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"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
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johnobvious
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 11 2006 Location: Nebraska Status: Offline Points: 1361 |
Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:43 | |||
I love LZ but I don't need them on here. I'm am going to crawl up into a ball, suck my thumb and cry like a rosy-cheeked sorority girl in prison as soon as I read the first review where some "Almost Famous" wannabe extols the virtues of Stairway To Heaven.
But I am certainly not going to beef with the powers that be and the decision they made. I come here to learn about the undiscovered but I suppose there is a small percentage of people that have yet to discover Led Zeppelin |
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Cheesecakemouse
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 05 2006 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 1751 |
Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:35 | |||
I don't know if you can be black and white about audiences or categorise them in taht way, sure a lot of Zep's audience were non prog fans, but they also attracted prog fans as well. In 1970s NZ where I am from, a lot of people in the small towns thought Led Zep as weird and didn'thave the time of day for them, and they were treated with the same contempt as Yes, King Crimson and Genesis etc. A lot of prog fans in 70s NZ were also Zep fans. I guess it depends where you are from, but definately prog related where I am from.
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:31 | |||
Don't go on my memory, then. The only song I can remember now is Dancing Days. Edited by stonebeard - November 22 2006 at 18:32 |
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Uroboros
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 25 2006 Location: Oxford Status: Offline Points: 912 |
Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:30 | |||
I'm not convinced. The first Rush album wasn't prog at all in itself. Yes, they took a lot from LZ, but I think they're actually the only classic prog band to actually draw heavy influence from early hard rock acts. They're a singular example. The other you propose are pretty vague - fantasy themes are literature-inspired and they have been used in all genres of contemporary music; Genesis were in a totally different world. I stand by my point.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there some kind of conscious separation between the " educated" prog purists of the time (seventies) on the one hand and the "rest" (the hard rock audience, those who preferred a more "visceral", hard-rocking approach to music - like Led Zeppelin - than listen to the extravagant prog titans playing their pompous 23 minute epics) on the other? Thirty years later, LZ are suddenly considered a massive influence on prog artists... that's quite a long distance traveled, isn't it?
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Cheesecakemouse
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 05 2006 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 1751 |
Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:29 | |||
Thats funny, I often considered HOH as their most proggy
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Cheesecakemouse
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 05 2006 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 1751 |
Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:26 | |||
I've been drinking less coffee lately
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Tony R
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Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:25 | |||
I've posted "In The Light" on the player...if that doesnt convince the nay-sayers then we need to hand out hearing aids....
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:24 | |||
I'll breaki it down what I think a bit (on memory alone, so I may be a bit messed on some albums I'm not too familiar with):
I : A few songs that are a bit proggy, but overall, this is a bluesy rock n roll album.
II : Even fewer prog aspects. I don't listen to it much, but I suppose this is where the influence Rush might have gathered is most prominent. A bit less blues, a bit more hard rock.
III : I can't remember much prog-relevent music here, just half good English folk tunes and half good rock tunes.
IV: Here we go. The progginess kicks in, but I would go so far as to call it any sort of prog album. "Four Sticks," "Stairway to Heaven."
Houses of the Holy : Slightly less prog aspects than IV, and a bit poppier in my mind.
Physical Graffiti : Oh yeah, lotsa prog here ("In the Light" and "Kashmir" come to mind first), but an equal amount of just plain good rock.
I'm even less familiar with Presence, though I understand it has several long songs ("Achillies Last Stand" is rather proggy) and I've got nothing for or against In through the Out Door.
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Tony R
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Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:20 | |||
Indeed but some are more obvious.... More bands than genres really,although it doesnt take a leap of imagination to decide that they probably influenced Prog-Metal. Given that Dream Theater are the top prog-Metal band and their number one influence is early Rush [unrefutable proof here: http://www.rushisaband.com/video.php?id=656 from the mouth of a certain Mr Petrucci) and early-Rush was heavily influenced by Led Zep then what else can one deduce? Edited by Tony R - November 22 2006 at 18:20 |
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Tony R
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Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:16 | |||
Bad mouse.....what happened to the hysterical over-reaction such a message usually provokes? To everyone posting in this thread: please be objective and less predictable.... ...let's see some real explanantions as to why you dont think Zep should be here.Offering an opinion against the addition that merely says "this is bad" or " what next?" is not really constructive or useful....though I understand you need to release your frustrations somehow.... |
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:13 | |||
Hip Hop and Barbershop
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:12 | |||
I don't really think they should be here, but it's the owner's choice, so I support it.
But just one question:
What genre of rock music didn't Led Zeppelin influence?
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: November 22 2006 at 18:12 | |||
OK Canada and the USA, only 2 countries out of over 100. Edited by Cheesecakemouse - November 22 2006 at 18:12 |
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