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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2007 at 22:26
Lucas wrote:

A good database for jazz & jazz-rock afficionados :
 
http://sudo.3.pro.tok2.com/Quest/home/artists/index.html



Yeah tks its a great resource esp with the inclusion of album covers and stuff..tho artists discogs don't appear complete (e.g. Allan Holdsworth or Supersilent) but hell man at least the guy has Supersilent and their related indiv projects featured...yayy!!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2007 at 18:16
^^^I haven't listened to any italian jazz-fusion but hope to do so in the near future
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2007 at 16:57

Very good recommendations here. So many obscure bands the most of them I've never heard of.

 

BTW, so none of you have listened to Venegoni & Co?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2007 at 16:53
    I've seen several references to Larry Coryell but I may have missed specific references to the Eleventh House. The Eleventh House was considered pioneers in the fusion arena along with Mahavishnu Orchestra and RTF. Fusion based with Coryell at the helm. Eleventh House included Larry Coryell - guitar, Randy Brecker (1st album), Mike Lawrence (second album0 - trumpet, Mike Mandel keyboards, Danny Trifan (1st album) John Lee (second album) bass, and Alphonse Mouzon on drums. I highly recommend the first two albums (a few more were made after the second but the sound and personal were different).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2007 at 13:43
Aka Moon. A wonderful Belgian Jazz band included here in the archives. They deserve more recognition!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2007 at 13:01
Originally posted by Chus Chus wrote:

Ain Soph from Japan is also recommended... if you like jazz fusion mixed with bits of Genesis, Pink Floyd or Camel you should check it out
 
Coincidentally just before Christmas the Fusenet website/discussion group were flagging up Ain Soph as a band to check out - but on my personal checking out with my local prog specialist, I was asked which of the 2 or 3 Ain Sophs did I want. It seemed records/CDs of the jazz rocky one were  less common than the others.... So beware, ask before you buy
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2007 at 12:49
Ain Soph from Japan is also recommended... if you like jazz fusion mixed with bits of Genesis, Pink Floyd or Camel you should check it out
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 15 2007 at 12:46
This one is for you, dear jazz-rock experts:
 
I'm happy to announce that I've recently bought the impressive Venegoni & Co.'s  "Live...Somewhere in the Seventies" (live recordings from 1979). Venegoni & Co is the band founded by Gigi Venegoni (ex Arti & Mestieri)
Live...somewhere in the seventies... - CD 
 
A great collection of jazz-rock live performances! A wonderful experience. The sound's quality is excellent and the general mood is powerful! One of the best I ever listened to! Highly recommended.
 
Venegoni & Co deserve to be included in this site asap!!!Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2006 at 13:25
Great stuff DickClap 
it's a pity that some of the clips are so short , interesting custom build double neck.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2006 at 07:59
With lots of acknowledgement to member  John Paterson who posted the following at Fusenet, some wonderful Indonesian jazz fusion:


I have played Indonesian fusion by Discus on my shows but I just found
a new guy that burns:

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=wiz83vNXGZc (wait for the axe solo)

http://www.wayanbal awan.com

on doubleneck:
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=mlI7zS1E8hQ

and for a true melding of cultural extremes:
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=MxwC_-AWS9I

amazing stuff . . .

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2006 at 19:42
Honestly I find this (as most of this forum here) thread quite futile just because there will always be some people liking this sub-genre and others not. Simply jazz isn't many people's cup of tea but for sure I love Cobham, Mahavishnu, Davis, Chick Corea and Perigeo and any other name I just don't recall in the moment. It's an exciting kind of music!!WinkBig smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2006 at 14:34
A good database for jazz & jazz-rock afficionados :
 
 
 


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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2006 at 13:52
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

I also like very much jazz-rock/fusion. My favourite artists for the moment :
Dixie Dregs
Béla Fleck + Flecktones (their album 'Outbound' with Jon Anderson on vocals on one track is excellent)
Weather Report
Gotic
Vega
Borne ('exprime la naranja' is an outstanding spanish fusion album)
David Sancious + Tones
Electromagnets
many projects involving Terry Bozzio, among which The lonely Bears, Polytown, Rudess' 'Feeding the wheel'...
 
There are many more I have to discover...
 


Check out Caldera. The 1st is available as a CD remaster. The others are still filed under "vinyl treasures." All four albums kick rear.
 
Thanks for the recommendation, "free verse" Wink ! I will check this band out asap.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2006 at 05:51
Probably been here before but check out the jam fusion(?) band Garaj Mahal - excellent musicians playing some tight and above average exciting jazz rock, fused from time to tme with other jazz fusion elements, e.g. Indo-jazz fusion.

At one of the better jazz rock fusion discussion groups on the web: Fusenet, a rather deep discussion is taking place on the future nature of jazz rock fusion, and in particular jazz rock jamming ("jam fusion"). One of the correspondents is in the throes of setting up a site specifically for this sub-genre:

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Hi folks,

Before getting back to the Fusion Rant, I wanted to post the news
that I've created a new Web Ring called "Jam Fusion". The name is not
as important as where it's placed in the Web Ring directory.
Typically Fusion, Jazz Rock, and the namesake variations are all
located within the Jazz directory. In fact, the Jazz Fusion ring is
in Home > Music > For Musicians > Jazz. Talk about hard to find…

The new Jam Fusion Ring is in the Home > Music > Genres directory,
thus making it much more visible. With enough members it may generate
a place in the Genres Sub-directory list visible on the main Genre
page.

My web stats at Jazz Rock World indicate that the Jazz Fusion Web
Ring is among the top 10 referring web pages. The point is that while
it may sound ridiculous or a waste of time to create this new ring,
the Internet has proven to be a surprising place where almost
anything is possible. Thus, creating a new Web Ring in the main
Genres directory has potential that can't be calculated by any
standard that would prove it to be fruitless.

If you're interested in taking the music a pro-active step away from
the myopic folks running Jazz right into the Cryo Tank at the music
museum [that don't even recognize Fusion], here's an opportunity that
never existed until now.

The main hub page is located at:

http://m.webring. com/hub?ring= jamfusion

On the main Jam Fusion hub page, click on "Join This Ring" and follow
the prompts. No, it's not easy and will take some time – so be
prepared to give the process your full attention for about 15 – 30
minutes. (That's a fair warning, eh?)

If you are not a member, then you will need to register at

http://dir.webring. com/h/signup

The future is knocking, can you hear it?

All the best and thanks,

Rick Calic
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2006 at 01:06
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

I also like very much jazz-rock/fusion. My favourite artists for the moment :
Dixie Dregs
Béla Fleck + Flecktones (their album 'Outbound' with Jon Anderson on vocals on one track is excellent)
Weather Report
Gotic
Vega
Borne ('exprime la naranja' is an outstanding spanish fusion album)
David Sancious + Tones
Electromagnets
many projects involving Terry Bozzio, among which The lonely Bears, Polytown, Rudess' 'Feeding the wheel'...
 
There are many more I have to discover...
 


Check out Caldera. The 1st is available as a CD remaster. The others are still filed under "vinyl treasures." All four albums kick rear.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2006 at 08:35
Originally posted by Chus Chus wrote:

 
 Indeed many jazz artists had the unfortunate addiction to drugs: Charlie Parker, Louis Armstrong, Ray Charles and many other music icons. The US was a cesspool of cocaine and heroin and even what we now consider to be serious musicians fell in the trap
 
The trap for many was "an alternative mental state induced by chemicals gives us a heightened and new awareness of our music and playing". Mezz Mezrow's autobiographic "really The Blues" vividly describes this, and there he was talking the 40's.  It was a case of one or two experimenting and seemingly for a short while producing new music and ways of playing it. But once hooked most things went downhill but not before other musicians hearing the initial change, deciding it would be good for them too. But then cocaine became the drug of preferrence of rock musicians in the 80's because of its availability but also the high seemed better than over-familiar adrenaline high of an appreciative audience dulled night by  night.  Kevin Gilbert's most excellent rock opera about the music business, The Shaming of the True, brings home the use of recreational drugs and bored rock musicians.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2006 at 08:23
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Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

And very greedy man also.
 
Reading Hendrix biography, I could not noticed that he asked from Hendrix manager 100.000 $ (1969) just for his appearance on the gig.
 
Heroin must have been expensive even back then. The Dark Magus (Davis) is not a personal idol to me, but his contribution to music makes up for personal shortcomings. His recuring heroin use is openly declared in his biorgraphy. Born in that violent society of the US, having experienced great humiliation for no reason - no wonder that he just wanted to try for every penny he could extract. Doing it to Hendrix though, a fellow black American doesn't seem to be a nice gesture.
 
Davis's biggest paradox was that whilst he had a strong grudge against whites, whites were the ones who supported him, appreciated his music the most. Perhaps he felt somewhat let down by his own natural blood-line? It's not fair on Hendrix anyway. 
 
 
 Indeed many jazz artists had the unfortunate addiction to drugs: Charlie Parker, Louis Armstrong, Ray Charles and many other music icons. The US was a cesspool of cocaine and heroin and even what we now consider to be serious musicians fell in the trap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 01 2006 at 02:46
Originally posted by pero pero wrote:

And very greedy man also.
 
Reading Hendrix biography, I could not noticed that he asked from Hendrix manager 100.000 $ (1969) just for his appearance on the gig.
 
Heroin must have been expensive even back then. The Dark Magus (Davis) is not a personal idol to me, but his contribution to music makes up for personal shortcomings. His recuring heroin use is openly declared in his biorgraphy. Born in that violent society of the US, having experienced great humiliation for no reason - no wonder that he just wanted to try for every penny he could extract. Doing it to Hendrix though, a fellow black American doesn't seem to be a nice gesture.
 
Davis's biggest paradox was that whilst he had a strong grudge against whites, whites were the ones who supported him, appreciated his music the most. Perhaps he felt somewhat let down by his own natural blood-line? It's not fair on Hendrix anyway. 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2006 at 04:43
And very greedy man also.
 
Reading Hendrix biography, I could not noticed that he asked from Hendrix manager 100.000 $ (1969) just for his appearance on the gig.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2006 at 04:35
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Originally posted by S Lang S Lang wrote:

 
It may not be appropriate as an example in this thread but my long held view is that on Cream - Live, Vol I. both Bruce and Clapton accidentally hit the wrong key at times and the other immediately goes to rescue by following suit and they come back together, nicely. Of course, I refer to improvised music here, something that would be near impossible to do via assembly?
What do you think?  
 
Miles Beyond: The Electric Explorations of Miles Davis, 1967-1991
 
Paul Tingen, relates that Miles Davis's skill as a live band leader, was to recognise that a musican was heading off on the wrong key compared to the other players, and play something in a key that provided a great compromise and often a development in the improv.
 
And that's why Miles Davis was one of the best teachers ever!
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