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Joren
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Posted: January 02 2005 at 12:54 |
Joren wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
Joren wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Joren wrote:
I am an atheist. But I'm not completely sure what being a humanist entails...
whatever, it's in the same category here in the poll ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Crikey J, you're usually so high you could rattle the Pearly Gates!![Wink](style=)
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Is it so obvious? ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Have you read your posts recently....? ![](smileys/smiley36.gif) |
My way of posting changed?
Could be...
Maybe because I feel at home here, then I show my true self...
and I got fed up with all the useless discussions.
(For the butterfly- eternally beep, call for help shall the man with the BAT eat the CHEESE? We may never know - before man, there was NO MAN eleven is not the strawberry flavoured imagination)
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You people are SO NOT NAKED!
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Rob The Good
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Posted: January 01 2005 at 21:58 |
To be honest, I need help. I was raised as an Anglican Christian, but I've become a bit disillusioned with the whole thing. It just doesn't mean much to me. But, I WANT to find something that does...does anyone relate?
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And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..."
Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster.
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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 01 2005 at 19:00 |
ivan_2068 wrote:
I'm a Catholic Roman not only because I was raised in this religion but because I'm convinced that 90% of what our Church prieches is truth.
Iván
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No Ivan, you are a Catholic Peruvian, a Roman Catholic Peruvian>
unless you were born in Italy!![Wink](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: January 01 2005 at 18:48 |
I'm a Catholic Roman not only because I was raised in this religion but because I'm convinced that 90% of what our Church prieches is truth.
But I have the most respect for all other believes or disbelieves, once in Jerusalem I prayed in a Mosque and several times I went to Jewish ceremonies (invited by friends) like marriages and also maintained the same level of respect.
I can't understand a religion that teaches peopole to hate every one who doesn't share your faith, specially because I believe every religion worships the same God even when their perspective are different.
Iván
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Rob The Plant
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Posted: January 01 2005 at 12:46 |
I'm not an Atheist, but the other 2 I would say I am.
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Collaborators will take your soul.
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Joren
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Posted: December 31 2004 at 14:24 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Joren wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Joren wrote:
I am an atheist. But I'm not completely sure what being a humanist entails...
whatever, it's in the same category here in the poll ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Crikey J, you're usually so high you could rattle the Pearly Gates!![Wink](style=)
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Is it so obvious? ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Have you read your posts recently....? ![](smileys/smiley36.gif) |
My way of posting changed?
Could be...
Maybe because I feel at home here, then I show my true self...
and I got fed up with all the useless discussions.
(For the butterfly- eternally beep, call for help shall the man with the BAT eat the CHEESE? We may never know - before man, there was NO MAN eleven is not the strawberry flavoured imagination)
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Jim Garten
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Joined: February 02 2004
Location: South England
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Points: 14693
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Posted: December 31 2004 at 09:04 |
Joren wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Joren wrote:
I am an atheist. But I'm not completely sure what being a humanist entails...
whatever, it's in the same category here in the poll ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Crikey J, you're usually so high you could rattle the Pearly Gates!![Wink](style=)
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Is it so obvious? ![](smileys/smiley36.gif) |
Have you read your posts recently....?
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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Joren
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Posted: December 31 2004 at 08:59 |
Reed Lover wrote:
Joren wrote:
I am an atheist. But I'm not completely sure what being a humanist entails...
whatever, it's in the same category here in the poll ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Crikey J, you're usually so high you could rattle the Pearly Gates!![Wink](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Is it so obvious? ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Sweetnighter
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Posted: December 31 2004 at 01:25 |
humanism as i intended it:
either....
Modern Humanism, also called Naturalistic Humanism, Scientific
Humanism, Ethical Humanism and Democratic Humanism is defined by one of
its leading proponents, Corliss Lamont, as "a naturalistic philosophy
that rejects all supernaturalism and relies primarily upon reason and
science, democracy and human compassion." Modern Humanism has a dual
origin, both secular and religious, and these constitute its
sub-categories.
or....
Secular Humanism is an outgrowth of 18th century enlightenment
rationalism and 19th century freethought. Many secular groups, such as
the Council for Democratic and Secular Humanism and the American
Rationalist Federation, and many otherwise unaffiliated academic
philosophers and scientists, advocate this philosophy.
That was my basic intention there.
The Atheist/Agnostic/Humanist option is more of a "I believe in a
non-religious philosophy" option... I should have worded it as such.
For example, I'm an objectivist, more or less, so I put myself under
that category.
I think Atheists assert knowledge that god doesn't exist. In the
mind of a true atheist, there's no question. He simply does not exist.
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I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die.
"Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend
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dropForge
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Posted: December 31 2004 at 00:28 |
Atheism is a religion in the sence that you believe there is no god. |
Again, atheism is NOT a religion!
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Reed Lover
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 13:18 |
Joren wrote:
I am an atheist. But I'm not completely sure what being a humanist entails...
whatever, it's in the same category here in the poll ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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Crikey J, you're usually so high you could rattle the Pearly Gates!![Wink](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif)
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Joren
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 13:15 |
I am an atheist. But I'm not completely sure what being a humanist entails...
whatever, it's in the same category here in the poll ![](smileys/smiley36.gif)
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dude
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 07:19 |
THERE WAS A SIMILAR THRAED TO THIS IN THE EARLY DAYS OF THE FORUMS WHICH ENDED UP GETTING HIJACKED BY .....SHALL WE SAY, "AGENDAS"...SO MUCH SO ,IT HAD TO BE DELETED AS IT CAUSED PROBLEMS.SO FAR,THIS TIME,PEOPLE ARE EXPRESSING THEMSELVES WITHOUT GOING OVERBOARD,AND ALL POINTS OF VEIW ARE WELCOME
BUT LETS KEEP IT CIVIL PEOPLE![](smileys/smiley1.gif)
AS FOR ME, I SET ASIDE A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME EACH DAY FOR SOME BIBLE READING AND QUIET REFLECTION
SO YOU KNOW WHERE I STAND(THANKS MAANI![](smileys/smiley2.gif) )
BUT I STILL KICK ARSE WHEN I HAVE TO!!
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Velvetclown
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 07:07 |
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Velvetclown
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Posted: December 30 2004 at 01:54 |
All you need is faith in YOURSELF.
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James Lee
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 23:49 |
I believe in god as a concept created by mankind (or possibly by animals, plants or bacteria...it's impossible to say with certainty that another kind of life doesn't have a sort of spirituality). Do animals see us as a kind of god? That's how I interpret most of the classic portrayals...human beings as a victim of His condescending 'love' and thoughtless slaughter.
I do not believe in God as a conscious entity, omniscient and omnipotent...if I did, I would be forced to align with His enemy due to the pain and suffering He has knowingly caused. Whoever came up with the ultimate rationalization "God works in mysterious ways" should be remembered as one of mankind's most successful apologists.
Such a being, responsible for the deaths of everyone we have ever known and cared about, deserves one of two faiths: the faith that such a monster could not exist in the real world, or the faith that we are all doomed to be flaccid puppets in a baffling performance that we can never comprehend, let alone enjoy. I chose the former.
Every bit of faith you give to this supposed deity is quisling loyalty to the murderer of your parents and your children. I do not believe mainly because I have no wish to dedicate my life to revenge.
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gdub411
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 21:50 |
threefates wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
threefates wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
threefates wrote:
maani wrote:
As an aside to threefates, it is historically incorrect to state that "the Bible was written by men, other than the 10 Commandmnets which were written by God." You seem to be relying on the movie "The Ten Commandments" rather than scholarly theology. As any Old or New Testament scholar can tell you, when God "gave the law" to Moses, He did not simply give him the 10 Commandments. After all, it would not have taken God forty days (which is how long Moses was on Mount Sinai) to do so. Rather, God "wrote" (actually, had Moses transcribe) the entire "Pentatuch" (Torah) - the first five books of the Bible, including all the laws (moral, dietary, etc.). |
Uhh.. as someone who worked at the American Bible Society for 14 years and worked with quite a few Biblical scholars (including Barclay Newman) on "The Good News Bible" and the "Contemporary English Version"... where does it say in your Bible that this is indeed true. This reasoning is speculation, as is half the translation of the Bible from the Greek/Hebrew text for that matter.
maani wrote:
In addition, to state that "the Bible was written by men" negates the fact that, according to Judeo-Christian belief, every man (and, yes, woman) who "contributed" to the Old and New Testaments was "divinely inspired"; i.e., although it might not have been "written by God," it was, nonetheless, "given" by God through "revelation" or otherwise. |
Yes I remember reading in quite a few spots of the Old Testament where many of the sages or seers would do some of that smokey stuff and start quoting speeches as visions from God...also lots of weird incense being burned in the temples.... I had a lot of friends in the early 70s that smoked some stuff and had conversations with God also... That doesn't mean I have to accept it as Gospel. Also quite a few books in the Old Testament were written by man... whose's to say truthfully that it all wasn't.
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I worked out a timescale for all your jobs and adventures Linda.
What is it like to be the world's oldest slapper?
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I've seen your abilities with math... I ain't worried about your theories...![](smileys/smiley17.gif)
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![](smileys/smiley36.gif) ![](smileys/smiley36.gif) .....it seems like you two need some quiet time away from each other. Go to your rooms....no better yet.......go to my room.....your rooms has your stuff in it..not really much of a punishment. ....and stay in there until you two can play nice.![](smileys/smiley17.gif)
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threefates
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 21:34 |
Reed Lover wrote:
threefates wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
threefates wrote:
maani wrote:
As an aside to threefates, it is historically incorrect to state that "the Bible was written by men, other than the 10 Commandmnets which were written by God." You seem to be relying on the movie "The Ten Commandments" rather than scholarly theology. As any Old or New Testament scholar can tell you, when God "gave the law" to Moses, He did not simply give him the 10 Commandments. After all, it would not have taken God forty days (which is how long Moses was on Mount Sinai) to do so. Rather, God "wrote" (actually, had Moses transcribe) the entire "Pentatuch" (Torah) - the first five books of the Bible, including all the laws (moral, dietary, etc.). |
Uhh.. as someone who worked at the American Bible Society for 14 years and worked with quite a few Biblical scholars (including Barclay Newman) on "The Good News Bible" and the "Contemporary English Version"... where does it say in your Bible that this is indeed true. This reasoning is speculation, as is half the translation of the Bible from the Greek/Hebrew text for that matter.
maani wrote:
In addition, to state that "the Bible was written by men" negates the fact that, according to Judeo-Christian belief, every man (and, yes, woman) who "contributed" to the Old and New Testaments was "divinely inspired"; i.e., although it might not have been "written by God," it was, nonetheless, "given" by God through "revelation" or otherwise. |
Yes I remember reading in quite a few spots of the Old Testament where many of the sages or seers would do some of that smokey stuff and start quoting speeches as visions from God...also lots of weird incense being burned in the temples.... I had a lot of friends in the early 70s that smoked some stuff and had conversations with God also... That doesn't mean I have to accept it as Gospel. Also quite a few books in the Old Testament were written by man... whose's to say truthfully that it all wasn't.
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I worked out a timescale for all your jobs and adventures Linda.
What is it like to be the world's oldest slapper?
![LOL](https://www.progarchives.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif)
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I've seen your abilities with math... I ain't worried about your theories...![](smileys/smiley17.gif)
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THIS IS ELP
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Glass-Prison
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 21:32 |
If musician was a choice up there, I would have selected it.
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aqualung28
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Posted: December 29 2004 at 21:14 |
wait I take it all back. My official religion would be musician (The same religion as Zappa is. If you read his autobiography you'd understand)
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"O' lady look up in time o' lady look out of love
'n you should have us all
O' you should have us fall"
"Bill's Corpse" By Captain Beefheart
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