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Points: 3013 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2004 at 01:17

Greenback... have you heard all the Porcupine Tree, Neu!, Tool and Godspeed You Black Emperor albums?



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10 Undisputed Prog Masterpieces:

1. Yes - Close to the Edge

2. Rush - Hemispheres

3. Camel - Snow goose

4. Genesis - Foxtrot          ;           ;           ; 

5. Genesis - Selling

6. Tull - Thick as a Brick

7. PFM - Photos of ghost

8. Triumvirat - Spartacus

9. Wakeman - 6 wives of the Big H8

10. Renaissance - Turn of a card

 

10 Criminally Underrated Prog Classics:

1. Happy the man - Happy the man

2. Happy the man - Crafty hands

3. Frank Zappa - Studio Tan

4. Collage - Moonshine

5. Roger Waters - Amused to death

6. IQ - Subterranea, Ever and Seventh house

7. Jadis - More than meets the eye

8. Rush - Signals

9. Anthony Phillips - Wise after the event

10. Eloy - Planets

 

10 Criminally overrated albums:

1.Yes - Tales from topographic oceans

2. Most of the Van Der Graaf records

3. All the Floyd records of the Barrett era

4. ELP - Pictures at an exhibition

5. Genesis - Lamb lies down on Broadway

6. All the Porcupine Tree albums

7. All the Tool albums

8. All the Neu! albums

9. All the Godspeed you black emperor albums

10. King Crimson - Red
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Points: 5243 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2004 at 00:54

10 Indisputable Prog Masterpieces:

1. Yes - Close to the Edge
2. U.K. - U.K. 
3. Genesis - Selling England By The Pound  

4. ELP - Tarkus

5. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick

6. King Crimson - Lark's Tongues in Aspic

7. Gentle Giant - Octopus

8. Soft Machine  - Bundles

9. Gong - Gazuese

10. Manfred Mann's Earthband - Nightengales and Bombers

 

10 Criminally Underrated Prog Classics:

1. Echolyn - As The World
2. Genesis - Trick of the Tail
3. U.K. - Danger Money
4. Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs
5. Todd Rundgren - Utopia
6. Traffic - Shoot Out At the Fantasy Factory

7. Alice Cooper - Welcome to My Nightmare

 8. Queen - Queen II 

 9. Golden Earing - Radar Love

10. The Beatles - Rubber Soul



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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2004 at 23:47

My personal list:

True Masterpieces

1. Genesis – The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
2. Pink Floyd - Animals (and Wish You Were Here)
3. Crimson – In the Court of The Crimson King
4. Yes – Close to the Edge
5. Genesis - Foxtrot
6. Tull - Thick as a Brick
7. Banco del Mutuo Soccorso – Darwin!
8. Anglagard – Hybris/Epilog
9. Rick Wakeman - Myths & Legends
10. Magenta - Revolutions
11. ELP – Brain Salad Surgery/Trilogy

10 Criminally Underrated Prog Classics:

1. Genesis – Nursery Cryme
2. Focus – Hamburger Concerto
3. Triumvirat – Illusions on a Double Dimple/Spartacus (Unfairly accused of cloning ELP)
4. Frágil – Sorpresa del Tiempo (Masterpiece of Peruvian Prog’)
5. ELP - ELP
6. Yes - Drama
7. Kansas - Leftoverture
8. Rick Wakeman – Criminal Record
9. Arthur Brown – The Crazy World of Arthur Brown
10. Steve Hackett – The Voyage of the Acolyte

10 Overrated albums:

1. Anything by The Beatles except Abbey Road
2. King Crimson: Everything after In the Court (Hang me, but that’s my opinion).
3. Yes - Going for the One (and Tormato)
4. Genesis – ATTW3/Duke/ABACRAP
5. Yes - Fragile
6. PFM – Photos of Ghosts
7. Floyd - The Final Cut
8. Marillion: Everything, especially Hogarth era
9. Coldplay: Not remotely Prog
10. Styx – Everything after Styx II

Don't believe in nearly misses, or you get it or not, as simple as that.

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Points: 2632 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2004 at 23:09

All:

It is interesting that Trouser brings up Traffic.  In my review of Caravan's "Grey and Pink," I note that there are large sections that sounds like they were lifted directly from Low Spark, including the exact same "ultra-fuzzed" organ sound.  And I note in a parenthetical aside that Traffic should be looked at in this regard...

Re Trouser's lists, I gotta agree with Ivan re Genesis: obviously, Trouser has some deep-seated neurosis against them...

My lists might look something like this:

11 Undisputed Prog Masterpieces:

1. Yes - Close to the Edge
2. Pink Floyd - Animals (and The Wall)
3. Crimson - Court
4. Gentle Giant - Glass House
5. Genesis - The Lamb
6. Tull - Thick as a Brick
7. Deus ex Machina - De Republica (and Equilibrismo di Insofferenza)
8. Museo Rosenbach - Zarathustra
9. Wakeman - Myths & Legends
10. Comus - First Utterance
11. Dream Theater - Metropolis: Scenes from a Memory

10 Criminally Underrated Prog Classics:

1. Klaatu - Hope
2. Supertramp - Crime of the Century
3. Marillion - Brave
4. Anglagard - Epilog
5. Ark - Burn the Sun
6. Yes - Time and a Word
7. Nektar - Remember the Future (and Recycled)
8. The Church - everything from Priest=Aura forward
9. Alusa Fallax - Intorno
10. Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - Io Sono Nato Libero

10 Progressive Near Misses:

1. Tull - Crest of a Knave
2. Moody Blues - Octave
3. Yes - Going for the One (and Tormato)
4. ELP - Trilogy (and Brain Salad Surgery)
5. Genesis - And Then There Were Three
6. Gentle Giant - The Missing Piece
7. Floyd - The Final Cut
8. Spock's Beard - The Light
9. IQ - The Wake
10. Carptree - Superhero

Re overrated albums, I take the fifth...

Peace.



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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2004 at 22:02

Yes Danbo, the list is pretty decent (except the overrated zone), I totally agree with Hamburger Concerto being absolutely underrated, it's a masterpiece and by far the best Focus album, I can't understand why so few people ever mention it.

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Points: 5243 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2004 at 21:46

Trousertrout is making a statement. It's his to defend. Too bad he didn't trash Marillion, Cert would be oh-so-gentle, eh?

Actually, I think it's a pretty good list, except for some of the over-rated bands/albums. Is Traffic prog? Hmm.

 
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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2004 at 21:24

Quote Well, to keep Ivan happy, I won't say you're ignorant... however I will say that I hope the bird of paradise poops in your trousers.

Of course he's not an ignorant, just a misguided prog' fan.

  1. Tarkus and Brain Terrible?
  2. Dark Side and Journey to the Centre overrated?
  3. Tubular Bells in that list?

But worst of all:

Anything recorded by Genesis... ever,  Overrated?

Holy God, I think I heard everything

Iván



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Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

8. ELP - Tarkus/Brain Salad Surgery - They're both horrffic.

Well, to keep Ivan happy, I won't say you're ignorant... however I will say that I hope the bird of paradise poops in your trousers.
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Points: 12818 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2004 at 20:09
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

10 Disgustingly Overrated Prog Albums:

But not by the same people

1. Spock's Beard - Snow
2. King Crimson - Lark's Tongues In Aspic
3. Yes - Tales From Topographic Oceans
4. Soft Machine - Third
5. Rick Wakeman - Journey To The Centre Of The Earth
6. Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon
7. Anything recorded by Genesis... ever.
8. ELP - Tarkus/Brain Salad Surgery - They're both horrffic.
9. Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
10. Traffic - The Low Spark Of High Heeled Boys

I'm 60% with you here, and 30% quite  against and then Traffic??????????????

 

10 Progressive Near Misses:

1. Frank Zappa - Hot Rats
2. The Flower Kings - Unfold The Future
3. Curved Air - Air Conditioning
4. Henry Cow - Leg End
5. Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses
6. Yes - Tormato
7. Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother
8. Thinking Plague - A History of Madness
9. Kevin Ayers - Shooting at the Moon
10. Caravan - If I Could Do It All Over Again I'd Do It All Over You




A very wide ranging  - eclectic even - choice. Although it seems impossible to anchor you down to liking any particular form of prog. Bemused by the likes and dislikes - for instance I prepared to argue there is a  progression (i.e. prog/jazz to jazz rock to jazz rock/RIO), in the Caravan/Soft Machine/Henry Cow albums listed above.
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Points: 5964 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2004 at 17:51

Here's a few album lists - some obvious, some less so. Feel free to pick apart my choices and tell me I'm a fool.
Feel free also to make your own lists, using my titles or creating some of your own! If lots of us do it, it should make for some interesting debate.


10 Indisputable Prog Masterpieces:

1. Yes - Close to the Edge
2. Hatfield & The North - The Rotter's Club
3. Van Der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts
4. Caravan - In The Land Of Grey And Pink
5. Anglagard - Epilog
6. Jethro Tull - A Passion Play
7. Yes - Relayer
8. Gentle Giant - Free Hand
9. Gong - Angel's Egg
10. King Crimson - Red

 

10 Criminally Underrated Prog Classics:

1. Kevin Ayers - Whatevershebringswesing
2. Murplev - Io Sono Murple
3. Robert Calvert - Captain Lockheed & The Starfighters
4. Krakatoa - We Are The Rowboats
5. Supersister - Pudding En Gistern
6. Osanna - Palepoli
7. Gryphon - Raindance
8. Van Der Graaf Generator - World Record
9. Focus - Hamburger Concerto
10. The Muffins - Mana/Mirage

 

10 Disgustingly Overrated Prog Albums:

1. Spock's Beard - Snow
2. King Crimson - Lark's Tongues In Aspic
3. Yes - Tales From Topographic Oceans
4. Soft Machine - Third
5. Rick Wakeman - Journey To The Centre Of The Earth
6. Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon
7. Anything recorded by Genesis... ever.
8. ELP - Tarkus/Brain Salad Surgery - They're both horrffic.
9. Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells
10. Traffic - The Low Spark Of High Heeled Boys

 

10 Progressive Near Misses:

1. Frank Zappa - Hot Rats
2. The Flower Kings - Unfold The Future
3. Curved Air - Air Conditioning
4. Henry Cow - Leg End
5. Jethro Tull - Heavy Horses
6. Yes - Tormato
7. Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother
8. Thinking Plague - A History of Madness
9. Kevin Ayers - Shooting at the Moon
10. Caravan - If I Could Do It All Over Again I'd Do It All Over You

So... there we are! Your turn!



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