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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I think if the release had been limited to those two sides, it would have been their best LP, after CTTE.


It's possible. Wakeman laid down some glorious Tron lines and Howe summoned some of his best guitar work. TFTO is essential Yes, it just veers indulgent at times.


Unlike Brain Salad Surgery? LOL


Keith Emerson didn't like the Mellotron and barely used it (on "Abaddon's Bolero").


I was kidding but I meant the indulgent part anyway.


Prog is indulgent by nature. You just noticed?
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I think if the release had been limited to those two sides, it would have been their best LP, after CTTE.


It's possible. Wakeman laid down some glorious Tron lines and Howe summoned some of his best guitar work. TFTO is essential Yes, it just veers indulgent at times.


Unlike Brain Salad Surgery? LOL


Keith Emerson didn't like the Mellotron and barely used it (on "Abaddon's Bolero").

I was kidding but I meant the indulgent part anyway.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I think if the release had been limited to those two sides, it would have been their best LP, after CTTE.


It's possible. Wakeman laid down some glorious Tron lines and Howe summoned some of his best guitar work. TFTO is essential Yes, it just veers indulgent at times.


Unlike Brain Salad Surgery? LOL


Keith Emerson didn't like the Mellotron and barely used it (on "Abaddon's Bolero").
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:


Not much love for TFTO in this thread!!


Of all the albums by Yes I have heard, I only prefer TfTO over Tormato.

The Revealing Science of God: Was decent in earlier releases when the track opened with vocals (6/10). The glorious intro was completely ruined by the synthscapes that were added in later releases (5/10).
The Remembering: I like the section from about 9 to 14 minutes. About 75% is just tedious imho (5/10).
The Ancient: Obviously the best track. I like the passage with the parade of solar deities and the acoustic closing section (8/10).
Ritual: Utterly pointless and forgettable. Arguably the worst track in the entire catalog of Yes (2/10).

It seems that this album finally found its due place in this thread .

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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I think if the release had been limited to those two sides, it would have been their best LP, after CTTE.


It's possible. Wakeman laid down some glorious Tron lines and Howe summoned some of his best guitar work. TFTO is essential Yes, it just veers indulgent at times.

Unlike Brain Salad Surgery? LOL
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I think if the release had been limited to those two sides, it would have been their best LP, after CTTE.


It's possible. Wakeman laid down some glorious Tron lines and Howe summoned some of his best guitar work. TFTO is essential Yes, it just veers indulgent at times.
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Not much love for TFTO in this thread!!


I like TFTO a lot, it's just not in my top three. Let's face it, they have a plethora of fine records.

I think it is one of the most amazing works of music ever recorded!!  

When it first came out, I used to listen to "Revealing," flip the vinyl over for "Remembering," and by then I was Yes'd out and went on to King Crimson etc....

I think if the release had been limited to those two sides, it would have been their best LP, after CTTE. 

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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Not much love for TFTO in this thread!!


I like TFTO a lot, it's just not in my top three. Let's face it, they have a plethora of fine records.
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Not much love for TFTO in this thread!! 

Give "The Remembering" another good, hard listen!!  

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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

^ commercially speaking I agree which was partly what I was saying in my earlier post. At least Pink Floyd understood what a prog album was Wink

Yes, I have long been in awe of the bravery of 'Animals', and indeed it's acceptance by the musical press at a time when others were releasing 'Love Beach' but we digress... LOL 
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^ commercially speaking I agree which was partly what I was saying in my earlier post. At least Pink Floyd understood what a prog album was Wink
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I would still go Gates partly for reasons I stated in my post, it was bold and out there. GFTO is much more 'commercial' sounding for prog rock. It probably embodies the spirit of the band better and I suspect that Anderson and Squire were happy to rein it back in a bit. Awaken is very nice for the church organ and choir and structurally is very different to most prog epics so kudos to it. In general I did feel that Yes were beginning to repeat themselves a bit. It was already in danger of turning into the pastiche of Yes that it has now become.

They'd have never gotten away with another Relayer in 1977, even if they'd wanted to; as we all know, there was a chasm in attitudes to prog and commerciality between 74 & 77; GfTO was, like Wind & Wuthering, an album for its times.
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That phrase 'the real Yes keyboardist' is very interesting! It seems that Rick seriously got the hump after TFTO so left. Relayer is then a fearless bold step into the future and everything that progressive rock should be. Fast forward a few years and the management are begging Wakeman to return. This can't possibly be for commercial reasons as Wakeman was shifting serious amounts of units with Six Wives, Journey, King Arthur and the White Rock albums all charting high? Perhaps I'm just a natural born cynic LOL


Moraz would've left, anyway. The tense atmosphere (or maybe whatever tension was directed at him) wasn't conducive to his participation. He'd gone from a trio to a quintet, one ruled by much larger egos. Wakeman was initially supposed to be a session player, strictly for pay, not reinstated as a full-time member, though Yes' manager decided to go ahead and do it (without Rick's consent, though he didn't mind). Any which way we cut it, it was the right move. "Awaken" is my favorite Yes epic.

I would still go Gates partly for reasons I stated in my post, it was bold and out there. GFTO is much more 'commercial' sounding for prog rock. It probably embodies the spirit of the band better and I suspect that Anderson and Squire were happy to rein it back in a bit. Awaken is very nice for the church organ and choir and structurally is very different to most prog epics so kudos to it. In general I did feel that Yes were beginning to repeat themselves a bit. It was already in danger of turning into the pastiche of Yes that it has now become.
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CttE, Fragile and TYA are my top three, Relayer and GftO are just behind.

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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I'd vote CTTE, Tales and Relayer.  

Tales continues to impress me, years after its release.  I always seem to hear something new whenever I listen to it.  

Inconsistent, perhaps, but its best moments are Yes' best moments.  

Aren't you the one that posted a long time ago that Tales inspired you to become a  forest ranger? Wink Maybe I'm thinking of someone else though.

Close!!  Inspired me to switch academic paths from medicine to environmental science.  

Interesting story....the Yes tour for TFTO was going to arrive in my university town (Champaign, Illinois USA), but the show was canceled because they said the tour buses & trucks didn't think they would find fuel on the way down (this was during the "Arab Oil Embargo" of that year). 

I was PISSED and decided to tackle the fuel crisis on my own.  Since then, I have become a leading figure in generation of alternative fuels (mostly biofuels) that do not harm the environment.  Awards from the UK, US and others. 

"Let them rape the forests?"  Over my cold, dead body.  

http://www.neochloris.com is my consultancy.   Look at "Projects."  


Very interesting. So was it the line "let them rape the forest" that made you change paths or the oil embargo? Or both?

Both, and then some.  The state of the US back then (1975-76) was very chaotic, with the collapse of the Viet Nam war, Nixon's Watergate problems, and environmental disasters like Love Canal etc.  The oil embargo thing REALLY ticked me off though!!  Now, the Yes vans could be filled with biogas from cow manure in some states.  

I really didn't want to go into medicine, but felt compelled to by my family.  My transition to environmental scientist took years, but I've finally accomplished my dream.  Still, the climate is a huge problem, and that is what I focus on these days.  Damn depressing work it is. 
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I'd vote CTTE, Tales and Relayer.  

Tales continues to impress me, years after its release.  I always seem to hear something new whenever I listen to it.  

Inconsistent, perhaps, but its best moments are Yes' best moments.  

Aren't you the one that posted a long time ago that Tales inspired you to become a  forest ranger? Wink Maybe I'm thinking of someone else though.

Close!!  Inspired me to switch academic paths from medicine to environmental science.  

Interesting story....the Yes tour for TFTO was going to arrive in my university town (Champaign, Illinois USA), but the show was canceled because they said the tour buses & trucks didn't think they would find fuel on the way down (this was during the "Arab Oil Embargo" of that year). 

I was PISSED and decided to tackle the fuel crisis on my own.  Since then, I have become a leading figure in generation of alternative fuels (mostly biofuels) that do not harm the environment.  Awards from the UK, US and others. 

"Let them rape the forests?"  Over my cold, dead body.  

http://www.neochloris.com is my consultancy.   Look at "Projects."  


Very interesting. So was it the line "let them rape the forest" that made you change paths or the oil embargo? Or both?


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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

...I was PISSED and decided to tackle the fuel crisis on my own.  Since then, I have become a leading figure in generation of alternative fuels (mostly biofuels) that do not harm the environment.  Awards from the UK, US and others. "Let them rape the forests?"  Over my cold, dead body....


"It's people. Environmentally green biofuel is made out of people. They're making our fuel out of people. Next thing they'll be breeding us like cattle for fuel. You've gotta tell them. You've gotta tell them!" (not quite Charlton Heston in Soylent Green)

"I'll give you my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands" (actual Charlton Heston quote).

Sorry, compelled to post this. Not claiming the biofuel you present is made out of people, although bodies are an applicable source.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I'd vote CTTE, Tales and Relayer.  

Tales continues to impress me, years after its release.  I always seem to hear something new whenever I listen to it.  

Inconsistent, perhaps, but its best moments are Yes' best moments.  

Aren't you the one that posted a long time ago that Tales inspired you to become a  forest ranger? Wink Maybe I'm thinking of someone else though.

Close!!  Inspired me to switch academic paths from medicine to environmental science.  

Interesting story....the Yes tour for TFTO was going to arrive in my university town (Champaign, Illinois USA), but the show was canceled because they said the tour buses & trucks didn't think they would find fuel on the way down (this was during the "Arab Oil Embargo" of that year). 

I was PISSED and decided to tackle the fuel crisis on my own.  Since then, I have become a leading figure in generation of alternative fuels (mostly biofuels) that do not harm the environment.  Awards from the UK, US and others. 

"Let them rape the forests?"  Over my cold, dead body.  

http://www.neochloris.com is my consultancy.   Look at "Projects."  



Edited by cstack3 - August 28 2024 at 15:44
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