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First I thought the bathmat was caviar. Then I thought it was a cake.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2024 at 15:06
Originally posted by Octopus II Octopus II wrote:

One of the first vinyl albums I ever bought, and still my favourite ELP album Smile

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Originally posted by Valdez1 Valdez1 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

^WTF are you talking about? Wacko
This was NOT proof that I met someone or saw someone. It was a hand made labour of love from my folks who knew they were my favourite band.
I'm getting ready to give up on this site altogether. Cry

Please don't pack in JD. That was just Mosh being Mosh. It's we that should be jealous that we don't have such awesome gifts from our parents. My father left me his Merle Haggard records when he moved out. Now that would make any prog fan depressed.

How can you possibly not LOVE this?  lol, When I was young, I lived on a reservation in Washington State for a year and a half.  They loved them some Merle.
 
Noooo! Confused

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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

^WTF are you talking about? Wacko
This was NOT proof that I met someone or saw someone. It was a hand made labour of love from my folks who knew they were my favourite band.
I'm getting ready to give up on this site altogether. Cry


Don't leave.  I just posted a Merle Haggard video.  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Valdez1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2024 at 11:27
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

^WTF are you talking about? Wacko
This was NOT proof that I met someone or saw someone. It was a hand made labour of love from my folks who knew they were my favourite band.
I'm getting ready to give up on this site altogether. Cry

Please don't pack in JD. That was just Mosh being Mosh. It's we that should be jealous that we don't have such awesome gifts from our parents. My father left me his Merle Haggard records when he moved out. Now that would make any prog fan depressed.

How can you possibly not LOVE this?  lol, When I was young, I lived on a reservation in Washington State for a year and a half.  They loved them some Merle.
 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Valdez1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 12 2024 at 11:23
Was my favorite band back in the 70's . 
 BSS and after sounds dated now.
 The prior earlier records don't sound dated.
Except for benny the bouncer

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (3) Thanks(3)   Quote SteveG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 11 2024 at 16:07
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

^WTF are you talking about? Wacko
This was NOT proof that I met someone or saw someone. It was a hand made labour of love from my folks who knew they were my favourite band.
I'm getting ready to give up on this site altogether. Cry

Please don't pack in JD. That was just Mosh being Mosh. It's we that should be jealous that we don't have such awesome gifts from our parents. My father left me his Merle Haggard records when he moved out. Now that would make any prog fan depressed.

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^WTF are you talking about? Wacko
This was NOT proof that I met someone or saw someone. It was a hand made labour of love from my folks who knew they were my favourite band.
I'm getting ready to give up on this site altogether. Cry

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

You're just jealous because you don't have an ELP bath mat wall hanging toilet seat cover.

Hi,

Nah ... I don't collect "material" things as proof that I met someone or saw someone. And I was one of the first to condemn the folks that went after the pieces of the pig at Anaheim stadium. It really showed that the whole thing was out of control in the hands of fanatics, not fans! AND, with the internet these days, it has gotten even worse ... like you having a bath towel like that validates anything you say or do about ELP! The towel more valuable than the music!

One of these days, someone is gonna rip an artist and kill him/her and then float that ... I have a bunch of her hair ... right here ... and all it tells me is that the work itself, the art itself, is not worth it, because someone's pride is elsewhere.

I toured with some bands, and my picture was used for GONG for several years, and I am proud of "having been there" with friends and folks that were important to me, not as a fan, but as a PERSON. And people that had a lot of beauty in their hearts and were not exactly showing off their fame ... the memories alone, is more than I need or want. 

Thank you!




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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Comic relief has a place.

Absolutely. Life would be unbearable without it. Smile
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Comic relief has a place.
Even Spock's Beard's Senor Valasco's Mystic Voodoo Love Dance shows that.
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

^I like most of those. Jeremy Bender is... fine, but I dislike Are You Ready, Eddy? way more. I'm not a fan of blues pastiche. Benny the Bouncer, on the other hand, is way more fun, and has an awesome ragtime solo. The Sheriff is my favorite of all of those because while it is pastiche, it's a little less campy and more authentic, and Emerson's solo on that one goes beyond honky-tonk clichés and actually manages to be fresh from a jazz perspective. I will always defend those latter two tracks. It can't be serious all the time.

It can't? Come on this is prog rock we are talking about. It's supposed to be serious!LOL My problem with those tracks isn't so much the intention behind them or the fact that they are different so much as they just sound out of place. I don't really feel like they fit in with the rest of the albums. Their debut doesn't have that issue but I suppose people could complain about that one containing a drum solo. Confused So no, I don't skip the cowboy songs but I prefer the debut at least partly because they aren't there to ruin the continuity. That's just my opinion though. Obviously others disagree although I'm pretty sure many people skip those tracks.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Awesoreno Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2024 at 23:18
^I like most of those. Jeremy Bender is... fine, but I dislike Are You Ready, Eddy? way more. I'm not a fan of blues pastiche. Benny the Bouncer, on the other hand, is way more fun, and has an awesome ragtime solo. The Sheriff is my favorite of all of those because while it is pastiche, it's a little less campy and more authentic, and Emerson's solo on that one goes beyond honky-tonk clichés and actually manages to be fresh from a jazz perspective. I will always defend those latter two tracks. It can't be serious all the time.
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Originally posted by AJ Junior AJ Junior wrote:

I 100% agree. Although I think their only album without a weak track is the debut. That being said it's not my personal favorite because I think the great songs on Trilogy outweigh it. 

I don't hear any weak tracks on the debut. To me their weak tracks are (if any are) Benny the Bouncer, Jeremy Bender and The Sheriff. To me their debut is their best partly because it doesn't have any of those "goofy cowboy songs."


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote AFlowerKingCrimson Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2024 at 21:33
These days ELP are very underrated- especially among the younger prog fans.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote AJ Junior Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2024 at 21:23
I 100% agree. Although I think their only album without a weak track is the debut. That being said it's not my personal favorite because I think the great songs on Trilogy outweigh it. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RockHound Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2024 at 20:06
A lot of the reason ELP doesn’t have more albums in the top 100 is almost every album has a track or two that keeps it below 5 stars. I love everything from the debut through BSS, but BSS is the only 5-star album for me. Yet I proudly include them in the big 5 because the great tracks are among the all-time greatest.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2024 at 18:09
The original question by the OP was about the ratings for ELP on PA and their respective place in the album heirarchy. There are simple reasons for this the most obvious being that the rating system encourages only 5 stars for masterpeices. When you compare BSS to say Close To The Edge it's very easy to see why the latter is much higher rated. Nothing strange about that. It's already been pointed out that ELP would do better if individual tracks were rated instead of albums. Take A Pebble and Tarkus would be in a top 20 at least and a few others in a top 50.
Personally I think their only underrated album is Works Volume One. It has some stellar material but much like Tales From Topographic Oceans makes no compromise whatsover to a personal artistic vision and so comes across as 'cold'. Self indulgent it was and sure it has solo stuff but most of it is brilliant and eclectic. After that ELP should have packed in. The president of Atlantic Records insisted they release another album and unwisely that went back into the studio shortly after an exhausting and extensive Works tour. The resultant Love Beach did much to damage their hard earned reputation as one of the biggest and best classic rock bands (they had more in common with Deep Purple and LZ than Gentle Giant or Genesis imo). A rock band lead by a keyboard player was unheard of. They should have stopped when the going was good but hindsight is always a great thing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 10 2024 at 17:19
Don't worry, Mike. Santana's been unquestionably bigger than all of them since 1999, just not for the right reasons (with the exception of Santana IV).
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^ Yes but none of those bands were as big as Led Zeppelin (and probably not even close). 

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - April 10 2024 at 16:21
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