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Atavachron 
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First I thought the bathmat was caviar. Then I thought it was a cake.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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dr wu23
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SteveG
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Valdez1
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Posted: April 12 2024 at 11:49 |
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Don't leave. I just posted a Merle Haggard video.
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How can you possibly not LOVE this? lol, When I was young, I lived on a reservation in Washington State for a year and a half. They loved them some Merle.
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Valdez1
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Posted: April 12 2024 at 11:23 |
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Was my favorite band back in the 70's .
BSS and after sounds dated now. The prior earlier records don't sound dated. Except for benny the bouncer |
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Posted: April 11 2024 at 16:07 |
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^WTF are you talking about?  This was NOT proof that I met someone or saw someone. It was a hand made labour of love from my folks who knew they were my favourite band. I'm getting ready to give up on this site altogether.  |
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Hi, Nah ... I don't collect "material" things as proof that I met someone or saw someone. And I was one of the first to condemn the folks that went after the pieces of the pig at Anaheim stadium. It really showed that the whole thing was out of control in the hands of fanatics, not fans! AND, with the internet these days, it has gotten even worse ... like you having a bath towel like that validates anything you say or do about ELP! The towel more valuable than the music! One of these days, someone is gonna rip an artist and kill him/her and then float that ... I have a bunch of her hair ... right here ... and all it tells me is that the work itself, the art itself, is not worth it, because someone's pride is elsewhere. I toured with some bands, and my picture was used for GONG for several years, and I am proud of "having been there" with friends and folks that were important to me, not as a fan, but as a PERSON. And people that had a lot of beauty in their hearts and were not exactly showing off their fame ... the memories alone, is more than I need or want. Thank you! Edited by moshkito - April 11 2024 at 12:25 |
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Comic relief has a place. Even Spock's Beard's Senor Valasco's Mystic Voodoo Love Dance shows that.
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It can't? Come on this is prog rock we are talking about. It's supposed to be serious!
My problem with those tracks isn't so much the intention behind them or the fact that they are different so much as they just sound out of place. I don't really feel like they fit in with the rest of the albums. Their debut doesn't have that issue but I suppose people could complain about that one containing a drum solo. So no, I don't skip the cowboy songs but I prefer the debut at least partly because they aren't there to ruin the continuity. That's just my opinion though. Obviously others disagree although I'm pretty sure many people skip those tracks.Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - April 11 2024 at 00:40 |
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^I like most of those. Jeremy Bender is... fine, but I dislike Are You Ready, Eddy? way more. I'm not a fan of blues pastiche. Benny the Bouncer, on the other hand, is way more fun, and has an awesome ragtime solo. The Sheriff is my favorite of all of those because while it is pastiche, it's a little less campy and more authentic, and Emerson's solo on that one goes beyond honky-tonk clichés and actually manages to be fresh from a jazz perspective. I will always defend those latter two tracks. It can't be serious all the time.
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I don't hear any weak tracks on the debut. To me their weak tracks are (if any are) Benny the Bouncer, Jeremy Bender and The Sheriff. To me their debut is their best partly because it doesn't have any of those "goofy cowboy songs."
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Posted: April 10 2024 at 21:33 |
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These days ELP are very underrated- especially among the younger prog fans.
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I 100% agree. Although I think their only album without a weak track is the debut. That being said it's not my personal favorite because I think the great songs on Trilogy outweigh it.
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A lot of the reason ELP doesn’t have more albums in the top 100 is almost every album has a track or two that keeps it below 5 stars. I love everything from the debut through BSS, but BSS is the only 5-star album for me. Yet I proudly include them in the big 5 because the great tracks are among the all-time greatest.
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The original question by the OP was about the ratings for ELP on PA and their respective place in the album heirarchy. There are simple reasons for this the most obvious being that the rating system encourages only 5 stars for masterpeices. When you compare BSS to say Close To The Edge it's very easy to see why the latter is much higher rated. Nothing strange about that. It's already been pointed out that ELP would do better if individual tracks were rated instead of albums. Take A Pebble and Tarkus would be in a top 20 at least and a few others in a top 50.
Personally I think their only underrated album is Works Volume One. It has some stellar material but much like Tales From Topographic Oceans makes no compromise whatsover to a personal artistic vision and so comes across as 'cold'. Self indulgent it was and sure it has solo stuff but most of it is brilliant and eclectic. After that ELP should have packed in. The president of Atlantic Records insisted they release another album and unwisely that went back into the studio shortly after an exhausting and extensive Works tour. The resultant Love Beach did much to damage their hard earned reputation as one of the biggest and best classic rock bands (they had more in common with Deep Purple and LZ than Gentle Giant or Genesis imo). A rock band lead by a keyboard player was unheard of. They should have stopped when the going was good but hindsight is always a great thing.
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Posted: April 10 2024 at 17:19 |
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Don't worry, Mike. Santana's been unquestionably bigger than all of them since 1999, just not for the right reasons (with the exception of Santana IV).
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Posted: April 10 2024 at 16:21 |
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^ Yes but none of those bands were as big as Led Zeppelin (and probably not even close).
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