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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Mirthkon - Vehicle and Snack(s)
French TV - All Our Failures Are Behind Us
Miriodor - Avanti!
ni - Les Insurges De Romilly
Bubblemath - Edit Peptide
Mike Keneally - Hat and Boil that Dust Speck
Piniol - Bran Coucou

Non-prog.. All Thelonious Monk albums

I'll probably get scolded by the avant aficionados for my choices.

Hell no, good choices one and all! I may have picked different particular albums but good choices. If you've got ni & Piniol you must pick Poil - Brossaklitt.
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:


Here is an album that actually was destined to be smelt, as well as heard:


I own this album but only as a download. Love Chloe's stuff
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thanks, guys 
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Mirthkon - Vehicle and Snack(s)
French TV - All Our Failures Are Behind Us
Miriodor - Avanti!
ni - Les Insurges De Romilly
Bubblemath - Edit Peptide
Mike Keneally - Hat and Boil that Dust Speck
Piniol - Bran Coucou

Non-prog.. All Thelonious Monk albums

I'll probably get scolded by the avant aficionados for my choices.
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

I found this one challenging because I wasn't expecting to use my nose to listen to it...


Here is an album that actually was destined to be smelt, as well as heard:

Here’s what I wrote about it:
Originally posted by I I wrote:

 This album has been a long time in gestation – some fifteen years or so! But if you were waiting for it, I don’t need to tell you about it, as you no doubt already possess it. Perhaps you’ve even acquired the necessary ingredients to smell the album as you listen (I kid you not – this album has an olfactory element designed to enhance listening, should you wish to follow the instructions contained with the CD). But honestly, there’s so much going on here that I’m content to forgo the multi-sensory experience and just listen. With a veritable who’s who of local avant garde artists from the likes of Knifeworld, Guapo and Chrome Hoof (and other such inter-related acts that Herington is associated with), there is a huge pool of talent. A dream team, if you will, which is entirely appropriate for an album composed from dreams. And as this is the soundtrack to a dreamworld, you can forget any conventional musical progression, as instead Silent Reflux follows the structure of dream logic.

The four main pieces (or figures, represented graphically on the cover) are inspired by four of Herington’s recurring childhood dreams. Events within dreams are often not bound by the same laws of physics and norms of social convention as those of day to day life. Thus, within the four figures, the most fantastic and unlikely scores play out as in a dream. The nonsensical logic one possesses while dreaming makes perfect sense until one wakes up, but with Silent Relux we get to hear it (and smell it, yes) awake, in all its non-linear and irrational glory. For some listeners, this could prove challenging, but I can’t get enough, and am somehow forever surprised and disappointed when it ends. Of course, it helps that I love the sounds of bassoons, saxophones and clarinets, of which there are plenty here to sink into and drift away. And as well as more conventional instruments such as piano, guitar and drums, there is all manner of percussion (including glockenspiel), saz and oud, cellos, viola and violin. A veritable cacophony or cornucopia, depending on your preference.

Reflux is the flow backwards through a vessel or valve (or V Ä L V Ē), and so Silent Reflux seems a wonderful title for an album that takes us back in time, not just to Herington’s recurring dreams of childhood, but to splendidly outrageous music vaguely reminiscent of ’70s avant garde artists such as Henry Cow – or being removed out of the flow of time completely. It’s all very wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff, and (at least, for me) exuberantly joyful and playful. The three shorter pieces interspersed among the four dream figures are just as enjoyable, though sonically very different. Interestingly, these are the three tracks that have had videos created for them, but I’m guessing this is so listeners can visualise the dreams in their own way, as Herington desires each listener “to have a singular and individual experience at home”. I don’t know about singular, though, as this is one series of dreams I don’t mind recurring again and again…

[EDIT] I forgot to thank you for the fart album. It’s actually rather good, in a strange sort of way. 🤪




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I found this one challenging because I wasn't expecting to use my nose to listen to it...
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It has just occurred to me that an album I’ve listened to today might count as “avantgardish”, in that I found it particularly challenging, but I like it a lot now. It’s not that it is particularly challenging, per se, so much as I found it challenging because of how different it initially sounded to my ears to previous releases from the band. To be fair, they have changed their sound/style to varying extents with every release, so it shouldn’t have been a surprise. And, once again, they’ve changed their name, which is probably another indicator that they might be sounding different. The band have also been described, though not universally so, as avant garde, so I guess that counts in their favour for this thread, too.

So for anyone who has not heard this year’s release from enPHin (formerly known as PH, formerly known as Peter Hayden, formerly known as Mr. Peter Hayden), it is a very interesting and “avantgardish” (I guess) album. Worth a listen, for sure, in my opinion.

If you don’t like it, try a different album. There’s a lot to like in their discography, in my opinion.




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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

The Necks - Hanging Gardens


Good call on The Necks, adding jazz opens it up for me to other non-prog 'difficult' albums
Thanks! But I didn't actually think about adding jazz. Just forgot that The Necks aren't in the archives, really. They might as well have been. If I considered jazz, I could have replied in the way David_D's asking us to. I find these ten albums a somewhat challenging listen, but also very rewarding:
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Khan Jamal - Drum Dance to the Motherland
Anthony Braxton - New York, Fall 1974
Sun Ra - The Magic City
Barre Philips - For All It Is
John Tchicai & Cadentia Nova Danica - Afrodisiaca
Charles Tyler Ensemble - Voyage From Jericho
Cecil Taylor - Looking Ahead!
Abbey Rader - The Thing
Sonny Sharrock - Black Woman
Steve Reid - Nova


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ LOL
no worries, the others know. LOL

I'm guessing it means "Get the popcorn, because this is going to be a long-running debate." Big smile

I don't mind that - if more constructive than some of those before.

If for no other reason, for the sake of wellness of the PA forum. Smile


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ LOL
no worries, the others know. LOL

I'm guessing it means "Get the popcorn, because this is going to be a long-running debate." Big smile

also probably silly or ridiculous. Big smile


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ LOL
no worries, the others know. LOL

I'm guessing it means "Get the popcorn, because this is going to be a long-running debate." Big smile

You got it.
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I don't have many albums like that, but this one comes to mind-

Dedalus-Materiale

Did not know what to make of it at first, but now I dig it.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

^ LOL
no worries, the others know. LOL

I'm guessing it means "Get the popcorn, because this is going to be a long-running debate." Big smile
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Originally posted by nick_h_nz nick_h_nz wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

It's up to you what to think of as "avantgardish" in this context, but I have in mind those albums which you like/listen to, but which are particularly challenging for you.
...These ten albums would all be considered challenging (or pretty much unlistenable) by someone like Psychedelic Paul - .....

You could have read my OP better as well, Saperlipopette!


Actually, I think it is probably more the case that you should have read Saperlipopette’s post better. It seems to answer your OP to me.


Yep, thanks:)

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Is 12 posts the new record for the OP questioning a response and shots fired back?

Especially when the questioned post seemed on point.
On point enough, but impossible (for me, and I suppose most that don't really have spesific difficulties listening to avantgardish prog) to answer the way that's being asked for. That's why I explained myself.
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I have no particular problem with the OP. I just don’t think it really applies to anything I listen to. I have so much music I already own and love, and so much on my “to listen to” list, that I don’t really feel the need to spend too much time on anything too challenging. At this stage of my life, if I’m still finding something challenging (eg most Neo-Prog), it is probably more an indication that it’s imply not for me, and I’ll quite happily, and simply, move on.

I guess perhaps David would like us to put forward our own definition of “avantgardish”, rather than stick to his. But even then, I would be reluctant, because “avantgardish” sounds so vague. I’m not a fan of genres and labels in the first place. Apart from in my role on the prog metal team, I pretty much never really pay attention to how music is labelled. It is either “music I like”, “music I don’t like”, and “music I haven’t listened to, or haven’t yet decided upon yet”. Some of what I like might be “avantgardish”, some of what I don’t like might be “avantgardish”, but I haven’t the foggiest what “avantgardish” might mean, if it is supposed to mean something different from avant garde (which surely it must be meant to, otherwise why not simply say avant garde?). Thus, I can really only go by David’s definition of his new label, which brings me back to not really knowing any “avantgardish” music at all. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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Is 12 posts the new record for the OP questioning a response and shots fired back?

Especially when the questioned post seemed on point.


Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - August 15 2022 at 06:26
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^ LOL
no worries, the others know. LOL



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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

It's up to you what to think of as "avantgardish" in this context, but I have in mind those albums which you like/listen to, but which are particularly challenging for you.
...These ten albums would all be considered challenging (or pretty much unlistenable) by someone like Psychedelic Paul - .....

You could have read my OP better as well, Saperlipopette!


Actually, I think it is probably more the case that you should have read Saperlipopette’s post better. It seems to answer your OP to me.
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