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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

It just struck me that your own classification and definitions are very historical and narrow, very organical so to say, right Greg?


Sorry, I want to be sure that I'm understanding the context, and you're not talking about another Greg (like the Dark Elf) since it's been a while since I remember posting anything substantive in this thread or if you are asking if I agree with your take on someone' else's classifications and definitions.

Now just a damn minute, Greg, before casting aspersions on a fellow Greg I must say in all gregariousness that I made just one snarky comment about Mongolian Barbecue somewhere on page 6 or 7 of this tedious thread. How one can divine a "very historical and narrow" classification on this superfluous and silly exercise from a single statement regarding Asian stir fry is beyond me. 

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Here is Frank's take on it. ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDxj1PVbU98

Imo, prog is rock based music that takes a whole lot of other influences and elements and puts them in a blender. The result is the smoothie we call prog. ;)


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2022 at 12:38
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

It just struck me that your own classification and definitions are very historical and narrow, very organical so to say, right Greg?


Sorry, I want to be sure that I'm understanding the context, and you're not talking about another Greg (like the Dark Elf) since it's been a while since I remember posting anything substantive in this thread or if you are asking if I agree with your take on someone' else's classifications and definitions.

Even if I am misunderstanding to whatever extent, my classifications can be historical and narrow, but also more personal and more open. They can be organic and inorganic one might say, but basically I tend to take holistic and multi-dimensional or multi-faceted views on things. And I try to be open-minded/ open to other ideas. I like to try to consider many perspectives.

It would be interesting, but a lot of work and not easy to do well without misinterpretation or oversimplification, if you collated the various perspectives that have bene posted in this thread on the topic question.

Incidentally, I'm more interested in progressive and art music generally than what is Prog Rock -- I like progressive rock, progressive pop, progressive jazz, progressive art music.... For this site, I do tend to think narrowly in a way because I consider how appropriate each album and act is to a particular category at the site (how ell it fits with others in the category and how well it fits the site definitions). Generally I can just hear it without giving it too much thought, but I am always making connections between things at some level.

For my own collection, I don't box things in narrowly at all. I see overlaps with music that crosses genres and subgenres, styles and approaches and moods. What is Prog can be so incredibly diverse, and in one sense I do see it as an ever-expanding universe. I have thought of Prog as rock without limits, and as metamorphic rock to be geological. Magma is igneous rock. Vanilla Prog-by-numbers rock tends to be more sedimentary rock.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

[QUOTE=David_D]I can add that even Suitkees seems to think something else, I'm not in doubt about that really many people are interested in the posts here.


Hmm, maybe I missed something... What am I thinking?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote earlyprog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 25 2022 at 09:44
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


As I see it, Earlyprog, the most important thing is to present points of view of so many people as possible, and on so many
various questions as possible. That has been the case to large degree so far, and I can only see it as being very good idea
to continue. The only obstacle is the disturbances which also have been here so far. Wink

...but you seem to be deaf to our so called "points of view" and not willing to alter your own "point of view", so why should we continue to post in your thread?

What "many various questions" are you referring to? Your own recent question was "Willie the Pimp? Clown LOL" and by that turning it into the just for fun category (it already was many months and pages ago).

Yes, apparently I'm a disturbance in "your view" Wink, but I'm trying hard - and others are too - to perturbate your thread into something fruitful. And it really could be.

Contrary to your own belief, I don't see it's a "very good idea to continue".

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Edited by David_D - August 24 2022 at 17:27
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Originally posted by Jared Jared wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

To be honest, it's been more of a hysterical document than a historical document, reading some of the hilarious responses here, but at least you've kept us all entertained. Tongue

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

As I see it, Earlyprog, the most important thing is to present points of view of so many people as possible, and on so many
various questions as possible. That has been the case to large degree so far, and I can only see it as being very good idea
to continue. The only obstacle is the disturbances which also have been here so far. Wink

I can add that even Suitkees seems to think something else, I'm not in doubt about that really many people are interested in the posts here.

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As I see it, Earlyprog, the most important thing is to present points of view of so many people as possible, and on so many
various questions as possible. That has been the case to large degree so far, and I can only see it as being very good idea
to continue. The only obstacle is the disturbances which also have been here so far. Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote earlyprog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2022 at 03:20
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Are we not entertained? Isn't that why we're here? Wink

That's surely important, I'd just say that there has been a lot of good discussion in this blog. Smile



A discussion leading nowhere, really. You continue repeating two obvious, generic options as a conclusion: extending or narrowing the definition, which you could have stated in your opening post.

Only option you are blind to is the status quo of the definition(s) which is where you are at this point. Just my conclusion.

Entertaining, yes, but in a sad, cringing way, I'm afraid.


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It just struck me that your own classification and definitions are very historical and narrow, very organical so to say,
right Greg?
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

I'd prefer if people who don't find a thread interesting don't post there rather than troll and ridicule it.

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David_D's threads never die as long as he is here to try and beat some life back into them.

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^ Wasn't it dead?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2022 at 03:54
I'd prefer if people who don't find a thread interesting don't post there rather than troll and ridicule it.
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Originally posted by Heart of the Matter Heart of the Matter wrote:

^ Wasn't it dead?

David_D's threads never die as long as he is here to try and beat some life back into them.


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