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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

In essence, any and every religion is a cult. Religion rhymes with submission. And if you want that, then go for it. Not my thing, though.
There are many and many documentaries on cults and religions, just browse the imdb if you are really interested in it. I'm not going to serve you on this.

Actually, this is the difference between a religion (church) and a cult:

One (the former) lets you leave. The other does not.

Ever heard of apostasy for muslims?Ermm

They are killed if they leave islam. 

This was the same for christianity during the middle-ages.

I thought this thread was focused more on the present day. There's been all manner of evil perpetrated by humans "in the name of" numerous religions in times past (and today, of course). I'd rather this thread maintain its focus on the last century, on the weird cults therein, and documentaries.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

In essence, any and every religion is a cult. Religion rhymes with submission. And if you want that, then go for it. Not my thing, though.
There are many and many documentaries on cults and religions, just browse the imdb if you are really interested in it. I'm not going to serve you on this.

Actually, this is the difference between a religion (church) and a cult:

One (the former) lets you leave. The other does not.

Ever heard of apostasy for muslims?Ermm

They are killed if they leave islam. 

This was the same for christianity during the middle-ages. 
let's just stay above the moral melee
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I remember hanging out at Brenner's Brew (closed now) in Bridgeton, NJ, and was talking about Michael Ford of Hexentanz and Luciferians and this tall dude comes from the back of the shop "What do you know about Luciferians??" I was a bit taken aback but spoke to him, which he proclaimed himself as a Luciferian. He turned out to be a rather frightening sort-stalking the owner of the shop and threatening certain of her friends. 
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In 1957 Juan Rivera Aponte of Vineland NJ was convicted for the murder of 13 year old Roger Carletto. He murdered Carletto to gain possession of his powdered skull as part of a Black Magic spell. Documented and an isolated case.


Something strange occurred in Vineland after the Menantico cult killing. Perhaps it was the year after the ritualistic killing at Menantico that it began. People started reporting cult sightings. They would describe a cult in robes walking people into the water. They were tied and bound and surfboarded in the face down position. ..so they could drown and return as a captain to rule over 40 leagues of demons. This occurred all through the remainder of the 70s. Why? Were they copy cats?

Why did they want to repeat the Menantico cult ritual? The Menantico cult were middle aged adults and only a few teenagers belonging. The copy cats were all teenagers who formed Satan cults on their own.


The 3rd Generation Watchtower Society held separate meetings or secret meetings where they tried to channel a demon through a young girl. They would place paper in front of the girl and a feathered pen in her writing hand. They would chant while the girl performed this kind of Automatic Writing. Then they would decipher the words . Other times they lowered the girl into a snake pit , standing above the pit chanting. The snakes were dead and not threatening to the girl...but it was a disturbing series of events. They were interested in a Luciferian practice no doubt and this took place off of Mill Road in Vineland. In Mill Woods to be precise.




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Vineland had a cult practice and it wasn't good as some people living in the town began to panic over the disappearances of children..in particular Billy Jones who vanished when I was a kid. Some of the locals began spreading a rumor that a Satan cult abducted him.


The police had an idea that he was murdered and his body dumped or buried at the "Palace Of Depression " The Palace Of Depression was built by an eccentric George Daynor. The place itself looked bewitching and he built it out of junkyard parts and became a source of entertainment for children and teenagers on the weekends not unlike The Brigantine Castle or any other horror amusement in South Jersey.


The first occult crime in Vineland NJ was in 1957..but I'm certain to believe there were more in the past, it's just impossible to find the newspaper articles. Someone told me that the Menantico Cult ritual which took place in 1971..also took place in 1871 ..in the same area..and that I should find the newspaper article on microfiche. The library records do not date back that far and there are people who sware that they researched it in the 70s when supposedly the library did have the old articles readily available.
I find that to be strange

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Originally posted by suitkees suitkees wrote:

In essence, any and every religion is a cult. Religion rhymes with submission. And if you want that, then go for it. Not my thing, though.
There are many and many documentaries on cults and religions, just browse the imdb if you are really interested in it. I'm not going to serve you on this.

Actually, this is the difference between a religion (church) and a cult:

One (the former) lets you leave. The other does not.
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In essence, any and every religion is a cult. Religion rhymes with submission. And if you want that, then go for it. Not my thing, though.
There are many and many documentaries on cults and religions, just browse the imdb if you are really interested in it. I'm not going to serve you on this.

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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Tom Cruise and maybe even Richard Gere (not all that sure about the latter - he's in a sect, but maybe not Hubbard's).

Tom Cruise is the most high-profile Scieno, which is why I didn't mention them. You'd have to have spent the last fifty years in Antarctica to miss that one. (The same goes for Travolta, but I had to post that pic, haha.)

Gere has been a practicing Buddhist since the '70s. He's not in any kind of strange sect, AFAIK.

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I hear Cruise and Corea are being relentlessly pushy about joining up. Chick has even ejected musos from his band, because they told him off about his beliefs.

Joe Farrell famously rebuffed Chick's proselytizing.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Hugh Manatee Hugh Manatee wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by CosmicVibration CosmicVibration wrote:

Saw several but do not remember the names of most of them.  Last one was the documentary on Scientology. Never thought Scientology as a cult until I saw that documentary.  If even half of what was portrayed is true, then yea, it’s a cult.

Scientology is ultimate proof of how vulnerable some minds are. That organization is a malignancy on the human landscape. Sadly, some exceptional musicians (like Stanley Clarke, and Chick Corea) have been Scientologists.

...and Beck and Isaac Hayes and Johhny Winters and Leonard Cohen(!)...

I didn't know about Leonard Cohen.

Bassist Billy Sheehan is one, too.

And this guy. Wink




Tom Cruise and maybe even Richard Gere (not all that sure about the latter - he's in a sect, but maybe not Hubbard's).

I hear Cruise and Corea are being relentlessly pushy about joining up. Chick has even ejected musos from his band, because they told him off about his beliefs .

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

The thing that is disturbing to me how close a cult is to the "safer" organized religions. There is only a small step between the two in some instances.
Religions are cults & sects that succeeded to the upper echelon of deceptiveness of gullible souls.
I don't like to tar all religions with the same brush. That's acting no better than those of the most intolerable of religions.


You can use all the brushes you like, as long as the layer is thick enough so the feathers stick on the tar. LOL


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I was told by a psychology professor that southern NJ has a very large Satanist presence
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Even the intelligent fall for cults, just as the intelligent fall for scams. It is not necessarily the stupid, the poor or the lazy.
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Originally posted by Jacob Schoolcraft Jacob Schoolcraft wrote:

One particular occult related story that is not covered on a YouTube video..is the story of the Bahia Vista...The Sandcastle in Egg Harbor Township N.J. It's structure was like a mansion /castle combined . F.W. Woolworth left the place to his sister Grace Hutton Middleton and his granddaughter Barbara Hutton used to visit ..spending time there....although this is the basic information you'll find everywhere on the internet...some people dispute this information.


In the 70s and 80s it was a night club. For a time it was called "Fire & Ice". One night I pulled in to check the place out. When I walked in I saw the staff dressed in black hooded cloaks and immediately thought it was some kind of gimmick or sales attraction pitch ...but at that moment I realized it wasn't Halloween ..so I had to rule that out.


I thought.." Why are these people dressed like this?" "How would this be a way of doing business?" One of the staff members conversed with me about Barbara Hutton. He said that the room at the top of the castle was the "Spirit Room " and that Barbara Hutton spent hours in the Spirit Room communicating with the dead. I had heard this story before and people have said it's merely an urban legend.

I noticed black mirrors throughout the castle . Probably no more than 5 or 6. ..but this has been disputed by others. About an hour later I in the parking lot loading instruments into my car when this strange girl showed up. She just stood there stroking a rodent. She was wearing a black cloak and holding a rat. Not something so uncommon to see when you attend "Mystery School "...

I just wanted to get out of there. Everyone was wearing occult jewelry...symbols..I thought it was mysterious, but I never believed in the Easter Bunny..so why should I believe in this.


These people acted delusional. It wasn't Halloween. It wasn't a Metal Club..so if it wasn't a gimmick..what was it ? A cult? It wasn't good and I left quickly. It was a nightmare

Are you sure it wasn't a dress rehearsal for the masquerade sequence in Eyes Wide ShutShocked
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A good number of people joining cults..certainly not being born to that way of life...but having an interest to join ..nine hundred and nintety nine times out of a thousand enjoy being sadistic..or raping people...long before..when they were perhaps age 12. So then clearly they were a potential rapists or murderer in their childhood. Those intruding thoughts they had as a child were attractive to them. They join a cult to feel comfortable around other people who feel the same. It's usually a cult that practices ritual abuse.


A certain percentage of kids that suffer through ritual abuse become opposed to it and probably in their teen years they begin plotting an escape. I am friends with a few people that experienced this. One girl I know escaped and married a federal officer. She is well protected from the cult and their networking. These realities truly exist, but certain ritual abuse victims go public and unfortunately it can in fact be solely to make money. This is toxic to a number of people once they acknowledge that the victim has published a book. I get that..but that's no reason to trust in the publications industry. A lot of times their news story is bought and sold ..and far from the truth.


People make profit off this subject matter. There are a handful of SRA abuse victims that form workshops and turn other ritual abuse victims lives around for the better. They make a lot of money, but they invest it into a good cause as well.


I don't believe in the supernatural. I disbelieve in it when I look at people, hear their stories, and acknowledge their desire and cause to gain power. I think they're pretending to be something they are not.

I see F.W. Woolworth's crypt and I get the idea he may have been an occultist and practitioner..just like I want to grow wings and fly. Some people in my life have expressed that it's dangerous to not believe in a God . I can't relate to that mentality. I think it reveals weakness. And there's no scientific evidence that any demon or Satan himself exists. ..so their abundance of painful annoying brainwashing tactics anger me.


I lost several friends who were completely lured in by a cult's duplicitous nature. It really angers me how they destroy people's lives based on their advantage points.



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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:


There are some further interviews with the woman I worked with (Robin Baker), where she speaks more about how she realized later what a predatory person Jim Baker (Father Yod) was.  There wasn't as much known about this sort of thing until later.
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Yes, Yod-Baker was clearly a predator, just like Koresh (and Michel of Buddhafield). I saw the tidbit where he got the wonderful idea that he'd father a new "Aquarian master race" and how convenient it was that all these young women were there (in the cult). Wacko

Pretty easy to see through, but there are people who are predisposed to falling for this, often from a difficult life prior.

Often...but not always. Check out the Buddhafield documentary Holy Hell. It's something else!
  That's when you just have to shake your head.  Will check that documentary out, thanks!

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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:


There are some further interviews with the woman I worked with (Robin Baker), where she speaks more about how she realized later what a predatory person Jim Baker (Father Yod) was.  There wasn't as much known about this sort of thing until later.
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Yes, Yod-Baker was clearly a predator, just like Koresh (and Michel of Buddhafield). I saw the tidbit where he got the wonderful idea that he'd father a new "Aquarian master race" and how convenient it was that all these young women were there (in the cult). Wacko

Pretty easy to see through, but there are people who are predisposed to falling for this, often from a difficult life prior.

Often...but not always. Check out the Buddhafield documentary Holy Hell. It's something else!
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There are some further interviews with the woman I worked with (Robin Baker), where she speaks more about how she realized later what a predatory person Jim Baker (Father Yod) was.  There wasn't as much known about this sort of thing until later.
Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Yes, Yod-Baker was clearly a predator, just like Koresh (and Michel of Buddhafield). I saw the tidbit where he got the wonderful idea that he'd father a new "Aquarian master race" and how convenient it was that all these young women were there (in the cult). Wacko

Pretty easy to see through, but there are people who are predisposed to falling for this, often from a difficult life prior.  

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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

I worked with a woman who was a part of this cult.  It seemed really innocuous, as it was bankrolled by a natural food restaurant (the Source) in Hollywood.  But it was very insidious, from what I learned from my friend/co-worker.  http://lifeinthesourcefamily.blogspot.com/2016/03/robin-baker.html  Here is the link to a  documentary about The Source:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9sLjXc0Tbs&ab_channel=Parable-ReligiousHistoryDocumentaries

Wow, thanks for the link. I haven't seen the film, but an insider's viewpoint is always preferable. I scrolled the photographs at the second link. "Sex magick," eh? Exclamation

There are some further interviews with the woman I worked with (Robin Baker), where she speaks more about how she realized later what a predatory person Jim Baker (Father Yod) was.  There wasn't as much known about this sort of thing until later.

Yes, Yod-Baker was clearly a predator, just like Koresh (and Michel of Buddhafield). I saw the tidbit where he got the wonderful idea that he'd father a new "Aquarian master race" and how convenient it was that all these young women were there (in the cult). Wacko
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

I worked with a woman who was a part of this cult.  It seemed really innocuous, as it was bankrolled by a natural food restaurant (the Source) in Hollywood.  But it was very insidious, from what I learned from my friend/co-worker.  http://lifeinthesourcefamily.blogspot.com/2016/03/robin-baker.html  Here is the link to a  documentary about The Source:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9sLjXc0Tbs&ab_channel=Parable-ReligiousHistoryDocumentaries

Wow, thanks for the link. I haven't seen the film, but an insider's viewpoint is always preferable. I scrolled the photographs at the second link. "Sex magick," eh? Exclamation

There are some further interviews with the woman I worked with (Robin Baker), where she speaks more about how she realized later what a predatory person Jim Baker (Father Yod) was.  There wasn't as much known about this sort of thing until later.  


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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

I worked with a woman who was a part of this cult.  It seemed really innocuous, as it was bankrolled by a natural food restaurant (the Source) in Hollywood.  But it was very insidious, from what I learned from my friend/co-worker.  http://lifeinthesourcefamily.blogspot.com/2016/03/robin-baker.html  Here is the link to a  documentary about The Source:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9sLjXc0Tbs&ab_channel=Parable-ReligiousHistoryDocumentaries

Wow, thanks for the link. I haven't seen the film, but an insider's viewpoint is always preferable. I scrolled the photographs at the second link. "Sex magick," eh? Exclamation
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