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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18429 |
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I thought this thread was focused more on the present day. There's been all manner of evil perpetrated by humans "in the name of" numerous religions in times past (and today, of course). I'd rather this thread maintain its focus on the last century, on the weird cults therein, and documentaries.
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20403 |
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Ever heard of apostasy for muslims? ![]() They are killed if they leave islam. This was the same for christianity during the middle-ages.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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darksinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 29 2006 Location: Durham, NC Status: Offline Points: 1091 |
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I remember hanging out at Brenner's Brew (closed now) in Bridgeton, NJ, and was talking about Michael Ford of Hexentanz and Luciferians and this tall dude comes from the back of the shop "What do you know about Luciferians??" I was a bit taken aback but spoke to him, which he proclaimed himself as a Luciferian. He turned out to be a rather frightening sort-stalking the owner of the shop and threatening certain of her friends.
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Jacob Schoolcraft ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 22 2021 Location: NJ Status: Offline Points: 1220 |
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In 1957 Juan Rivera Aponte of Vineland NJ was convicted for the murder of 13 year old Roger Carletto. He murdered Carletto to gain possession of his powdered skull as part of a Black Magic spell. Documented and an isolated case.
Something strange occurred in Vineland after the Menantico cult killing. Perhaps it was the year after the ritualistic killing at Menantico that it began. People started reporting cult sightings. They would describe a cult in robes walking people into the water. They were tied and bound and surfboarded in the face down position. ..so they could drown and return as a captain to rule over 40 leagues of demons. This occurred all through the remainder of the 70s. Why? Were they copy cats? Why did they want to repeat the Menantico cult ritual? The Menantico cult were middle aged adults and only a few teenagers belonging. The copy cats were all teenagers who formed Satan cults on their own. The 3rd Generation Watchtower Society held separate meetings or secret meetings where they tried to channel a demon through a young girl. They would place paper in front of the girl and a feathered pen in her writing hand. They would chant while the girl performed this kind of Automatic Writing. Then they would decipher the words . Other times they lowered the girl into a snake pit , standing above the pit chanting. The snakes were dead and not threatening to the girl...but it was a disturbing series of events. They were interested in a Luciferian practice no doubt and this took place off of Mill Road in Vineland. In Mill Woods to be precise. Edited by Jacob Schoolcraft - April 10 2022 at 21:04 |
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Jacob Schoolcraft ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 22 2021 Location: NJ Status: Offline Points: 1220 |
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Vineland had a cult practice and it wasn't good as some people living in the town began to panic over the disappearances of children..in particular Billy Jones who vanished when I was a kid. Some of the locals began spreading a rumor that a Satan cult abducted him.
The police had an idea that he was murdered and his body dumped or buried at the "Palace Of Depression " The Palace Of Depression was built by an eccentric George Daynor. The place itself looked bewitching and he built it out of junkyard parts and became a source of entertainment for children and teenagers on the weekends not unlike The Brigantine Castle or any other horror amusement in South Jersey. The first occult crime in Vineland NJ was in 1957..but I'm certain to believe there were more in the past, it's just impossible to find the newspaper articles. Someone told me that the Menantico Cult ritual which took place in 1971..also took place in 1871 ..in the same area..and that I should find the newspaper article on microfiche. The library records do not date back that far and there are people who sware that they researched it in the 70s when supposedly the library did have the old articles readily available. I find that to be strange |
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18429 |
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Actually, this is the difference between a religion (church) and a cult: One (the former) lets you leave. The other does not.
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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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In essence, any and every religion is a cult. Religion rhymes with submission. And if you want that, then go for it. Not my thing, though. There are many and many documentaries on cults and religions, just browse the imdb if you are really interested in it. I'm not going to serve you on this.
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18429 |
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Tom Cruise is the most high-profile Scieno, which is why I didn't mention them. You'd have to have spent the last fifty years in Antarctica to miss that one. (The same goes for Travolta, but I had to post that pic, haha.) Gere has been a practicing Buddhist since the '70s. He's not in any kind of strange sect, AFAIK.
Joe Farrell famously rebuffed Chick's proselytizing.
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20403 |
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Tom Cruise and maybe even Richard Gere (not all that sure about the latter - he's in a sect, but maybe not Hubbard's). I hear Cruise and Corea are being relentlessly pushy about joining up. Chick has even ejected musos from his band, because they told him off about his beliefs .
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let's just stay above the moral melee
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darksinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 29 2006 Location: Durham, NC Status: Offline Points: 1091 |
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I was told by a psychology professor that southern NJ has a very large Satanist presence
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darksinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 29 2006 Location: Durham, NC Status: Offline Points: 1091 |
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Even the intelligent fall for cults, just as the intelligent fall for scams. It is not necessarily the stupid, the poor or the lazy.
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Jacob Schoolcraft ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 22 2021 Location: NJ Status: Offline Points: 1220 |
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18429 |
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Are you sure it wasn't a dress rehearsal for the masquerade sequence in Eyes Wide Shut?
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Jacob Schoolcraft ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 22 2021 Location: NJ Status: Offline Points: 1220 |
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A good number of people joining cults..certainly not being born to that way of life...but having an interest to join ..nine hundred and nintety nine times out of a thousand enjoy being sadistic..or raping people...long before..when they were perhaps age 12. So then clearly they were a potential rapists or murderer in their childhood. Those intruding thoughts they had as a child were attractive to them. They join a cult to feel comfortable around other people who feel the same. It's usually a cult that practices ritual abuse.
A certain percentage of kids that suffer through ritual abuse become opposed to it and probably in their teen years they begin plotting an escape. I am friends with a few people that experienced this. One girl I know escaped and married a federal officer. She is well protected from the cult and their networking. These realities truly exist, but certain ritual abuse victims go public and unfortunately it can in fact be solely to make money. This is toxic to a number of people once they acknowledge that the victim has published a book. I get that..but that's no reason to trust in the publications industry. A lot of times their news story is bought and sold ..and far from the truth. People make profit off this subject matter. There are a handful of SRA abuse victims that form workshops and turn other ritual abuse victims lives around for the better. They make a lot of money, but they invest it into a good cause as well. I don't believe in the supernatural. I disbelieve in it when I look at people, hear their stories, and acknowledge their desire and cause to gain power. I think they're pretending to be something they are not. I see F.W. Woolworth's crypt and I get the idea he may have been an occultist and practitioner..just like I want to grow wings and fly. Some people in my life have expressed that it's dangerous to not believe in a God . I can't relate to that mentality. I think it reveals weakness. And there's no scientific evidence that any demon or Satan himself exists. ..so their abundance of painful annoying brainwashing tactics anger me. I lost several friends who were completely lured in by a cult's duplicitous nature. It really angers me how they destroy people's lives based on their advantage points. Edited by Jacob Schoolcraft - April 07 2022 at 21:03 |
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"Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18429 |
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Often...but not always. Check out the Buddhafield documentary Holy Hell. It's something else!
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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Pretty easy to see through, but there are people who are predisposed to falling for this, often from a difficult life prior. |
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"Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18429 |
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Yes, Yod-Baker was clearly a predator, just like Koresh (and Michel of Buddhafield). I saw the tidbit where he got the wonderful idea that he'd father a new "Aquarian master race" and how convenient it was that all these young women were there (in the cult).
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Snicolette ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 02 2018 Location: OR Status: Offline Points: 6048 |
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There are some further interviews with the woman I worked with (Robin Baker), where she speaks more about how she realized later what a predatory person Jim Baker (Father Yod) was. There wasn't as much known about this sort of thing until later. |
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"Into every rain, a little life must fall." ~Tom Rapp
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 18429 |
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Wow, thanks for the link. I haven't seen the film, but an insider's viewpoint is always preferable. I scrolled the photographs at the second link. "Sex magick," eh?
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