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TheProgtologist 
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 Posted: September 28 2005 at 15:08 |
Tool IS progressive metal,and should not be in prog related.
Metallica is prog related,just on the basis of their albums Master of Puppets and And Justice for All(which is pretty progressive)
Maiden is definitely prog related(I think they are one of the forefathers of progressive metal).Important IM albums which lend to the genre are their debut album Iron Maiden to their album Seventh Son of a Seventh Son.
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R_DeNIRO
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 14:48 |
 Snow Dog wrote:
R_DeNIRO wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
FishyMonkey wrote:
Don't add them, just cause they are a bit more creatvie doesn't make them prog (IE Tool). Do add Death, however, as everything passed Leprosy is rather proggy, with The Sound of Perserverence being absolutely prog death metal. |
They don't have to be Prog, just Prog related, thats what the category is all about isn't it?
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I'm agree with you, Tool have to be Prog Related, not Prog.
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No you don't agree with me! I'm not talking about Tool!.Fishy just used them as an example. We are talking about Iron Maiden and Metallica!!
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Metallica, Iron Maiden (and Tool too) have to be in the Prog Related list. That's all.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 14:31 |
R_DeNIRO wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
FishyMonkey wrote:
Don't add them, just cause they are a bit more creatvie doesn't make them prog (IE Tool). Do add Death, however, as everything passed Leprosy is rather proggy, with The Sound of Perserverence being absolutely prog death metal. |
They don't have to be Prog, just Prog related, thats what the category is all about isn't it?
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I'm agree with you, Tool have to be Prog Related, not Prog.
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No you don't agree with me! I'm not talking about Tool!.Fishy just used them as an example. We are talking about Iron Maiden and Metallica!!
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 14:28 |
R_DeNIRO wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
FishyMonkey wrote:
Don't add them, just cause they are a bit more creatvie doesn't make them prog (IE Tool). Do add Death, however, as everything passed Leprosy is rather proggy, with The Sound of Perserverence being absolutely prog death metal. |
They don't have to be Prog, just Prog related, thats what the category is all about isn't it?
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I'm agree with you, Tool have to be Prog Related, not Prog.
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 another thread, another "Tool are not prog" post.
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R_DeNIRO
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 14:27 |
Snow Dog wrote:
FishyMonkey wrote:
Don't add them, just cause they are a bit more creatvie doesn't make them prog (IE Tool). Do add Death, however, as everything passed Leprosy is rather proggy, with The Sound of Perserverence being absolutely prog death metal. |
They don't have to be Prog, just Prog related, thats what the category is all about isn't it?
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I'm agree with you, Tool have to be Prog Related, not Prog.
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Manunkind
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 14:25 |
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"In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 14:22 |
FishyMonkey wrote:
Don't add them, just cause they are a bit more creatvie doesn't make them prog (IE Tool). Do add Death, however, as everything passed Leprosy is rather proggy, with The Sound of Perserverence being absolutely prog death metal. |
They don't have to be Prog, just Prog related, thats what the category is all about isn't it?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:58 |
FishyMonkey wrote:
Don't add them, just cause they are a bit more creatvie doesn't make them prog (IE Tool). Do add Death, however, as everything passed Leprosy is rather proggy, with The Sound of Perserverence being absolutely prog death metal. |
 that Tool statement gave you away. Tool are commonly accepted to be prog.
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:55 |
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R_DeNIRO
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:53 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
R_DeNIRO wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Actually I think only one or two albums of them are Prog Related:
- Metallica: Master of Puppets, ... And Justice For All
- Iron Maiden: Don't know their newer albums ... but apart from 7th Son nothing merits to be called Prog Related IMO.
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Well, I think Iron Maiden and Killers are their most progresive albums, and probably, "Phantom of the Opera" their most progressive song, even more that "Seventh son of a Seventh son".
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Yes, that song is awesome ... especially if you take into account when it was written (long before any modern prog metal).
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Totally agree. It could be considered Proto-ProgMetal, as the same form of Deep Purple is Proto-Prog.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:18 |
R_DeNIRO wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Actually I think only one or two albums of them are Prog Related:
- Metallica: Master of Puppets, ... And Justice For All
- Iron Maiden: Don't know their newer albums ... but apart from 7th Son nothing merits to be called Prog Related IMO.
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Well, I think Iron Maiden and Killers are their most progresive albums, and probably, "Phantom of the Opera" their most progressive song, even more that "Seventh son of a Seventh son".
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Yes, that song is awesome ... especially if you take into account when it was written (long before any modern prog metal).
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FishyMonkey
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:15 |
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Don't add them, just cause they are a bit more creatvie doesn't make them prog (IE Tool). Do add Death, however, as everything passed Leprosy is rather proggy, with The Sound of Perserverence being absolutely prog death metal.
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R_DeNIRO
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:07 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Actually I think only one or two albums of them are Prog Related:
- Metallica: Master of Puppets, ... And Justice For All
- Iron Maiden: Don't know their newer albums ... but apart from 7th Son nothing merits to be called Prog Related IMO.
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Well, I think Iron Maiden and Killers are their most progresive albums, and probably, "Phantom of the Opera" their most progressive song, even more that "Seventh son of a Seventh son".
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:06 |
Progressive IM albums - 7th Son of a 7th Son, Somewhere in Time, Brave New World, Dance of Death...
And ALL the other albums have strong prog influences!!!
Metallica - just ONE album...
Maiden deserve 2 be here more then Purple!!!!
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proger
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:04 |
7th Son of a 7th Son maybe- there is a few parts in this album...
but exept that, dont think so.
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Gentle Ronnie
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 13:02 |
Then add Black Sabbath too. Sabotage, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Master Of Reality are prog, not to mention the last two albums of the Ozzy era.
AND DEATH
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 12:57 |
In fact Master of Puppets is Proto-Prog, not Prog Related. 
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horza
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 12:55 |
i have seen both bands in concert,if i had said to their supporters that they were prog related they would have chased me lets just include judas priest too,sad wings of destiny is a prog related track,and i'm sure we can find a reason to allow motorhead in as well these are bands i like by the way but they ain't prog,no way jose
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 12:53 |
Actually I think only one or two albums of them are Prog Related:
- Metallica: Master of Puppets, ... And Justice For All
- Iron Maiden: Don't know their newer albums ... but apart from 7th Son nothing merits to be called Prog Related IMO.
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Mnemosyne
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Posted: September 28 2005 at 12:52 |
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Yeah, Metallica's "master of Puppets" is kinda prog-influenced... Maiden's Prog influence is almost obvious (in lyrics and sometimes in the "epic" sonic landscape)
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