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AFlowerKingCrimson
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It's kind of boring but other than that I don't really have a problem with it either. Why do Geddy and Alex dislike "Tai Shan?" Are they jealous of Neil for going to China or something? |
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verslibre
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I like "Dog Years"! Why do so many people hate it?!
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Yup, as well writing about the TV show Twilight Zone on Side II of 2112.....I like Anagram!
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verslibre
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"...Bald" is a true oddity in the Rush catalogue. But they did do it as a joke-response to Kiss's "Goin' Blind" (they were opening for them at the time). Neil coined the title because Alex was obsessed over the possibility of losing his hair later in life. Either way, I'm glad they never did anything like that again, though other songs like "Anagram (for Mongo)" and "Dog Years" also put forth off-beat topics and showed they liked to have fun, too. |
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Catcher10
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I agree, I have pretty much lived thru all the eras of Rush, I started with them around '76-'77.....It's called PROGRESSION, something all bands strive for, not to be stuck in a world of sameness. That was NEVER what Rush was all about, I just don't understand why people back in the late 80's had problems. Any interview, print back then, they spoke of moving forward and diving into new areas especially with the new wave sounds like The Police that was a huge influence. So I guess people thought they were lying in interviews back then......sheesh. Rush pretty much said what they did and did what they said. From a performance and recording perspective very little peeling back any onion layers was needed, you didn't have to go "WTH hell were they thinking!!!" That ended with Think I'm Going Bald
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verslibre
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To me that was a bizarre mentality, bolstered by the fact I got into Rush in the '80s (but I had no issue with "pre-synths" Rush when I worked my way backward). That started with Signals, where everyone felt the guitar took a "backseat" (which I continue to disagree with). The friend who got me into Rush (he was into them way earlier) even recounted a review where some guy lamented the "new sound" and "longed for the Rush of old"...and it was a review of Moving Pictures. Edited by verslibre - May 04 2022 at 13:22 |
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Catcher10
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I'm generally quiet about HYF since soooo many feel it is such a weak album. Like all of those I bought on release and simply enjoy that record so much, still do. Back then I found it so fresh of a record, the musicianship quite mature and the lyrics and "feeling" of where these songs come from also very mature.
Tai Shan for me has such a great vibe, I love the melody and sound of it. I also think Geddy's vocals sound fantastic, my main complaint was not too much of a fan of Neil's snare sound, too much echo/reverb I guess. For example on Open Secrets too much air/echo chamber dynamics, it is a 100% digital recording and from 1987, so still trying to figure out that whole digital thing, it sounds great though for a DDD release. Mission is also a great track......Over all not a bad tune on the album. It does not get enough attention, the height of Rush going thru the electronic/synth era and the height of a lot of displeasure for those that only wanted the prog metal of 2112. Again for me HYF is a very mature sounding Rush record.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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For some reason I was just thinking about a rumor back in the 80's (late 80's) that Neil had cancer. At the time that turned out not to be true but the weird thing is when you fastfoward 30 years or so that's what he died of. Strange. Does anyone else remember that rumor?
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verslibre
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Here is your annual reminder that this song appeared on the 1984 album Grace Under Pressure, and they shot a video for it.
Clearly, Neil wasn't done with "sci fi" lyrics (in this case, dystopian SF). One humanoid escapee One android on the run Seeking freedom beneath the lonely desert sun Trying to change its program Trying to change the mode, crack the code Images conflicting into data overload One zero zero one zero zero one SOS One zero zero one zero zero one In distress One zero zero one zero zero Memory banks unloading Bytes break into bits Unit One's in trouble and it's scared out of its wits Guidance systems break down A struggle to exist To resist A pulse of dying power in a clenching plastic fist One zero zero one zero zero one SOS One zero zero one zero zero one In distress One zero zero one zero zero It replays each of the days A hundred years of routines Bows its head and prays To the mother of all machines |
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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Yep. Not that the other albums didn't have good or even great lyrics but for me personally that was Neil's peak. I think part of it could have to do with interests. I'm more interested in philosophy, psychology and sociology than I am in mythology or science fiction, otherwise the earlier stuff would probably be more to my liking. So to a degree I think it has to do with what you find interesting.
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Sacro_Porgo
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Neil saw the world around him so clearly and was able to put it down so vividly on those two records in particular. More and more my favorite of his lyrics come from the mid/late 80s.
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Porg for short. My love of music doesn't end with prog! Feel free to discuss all sorts of music with me. Odds are I'll give it a chance if I haven't already! :)
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verslibre
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I feel Neil flexed lyrically like a beast on Vapor Trails. That will always be their "comeback" for me. "Freeze" (Yes, I prefer the original mix!)
The city crouches, steaming Slipping through the dark streets Sometimes I freeze until the light comes Coiled for the spring or caught like a creature in the headlights The menace threatens, closing I can't stand to reason or surrender to a reflex Sometimes we freeze until the light comes Blood running cold mind going down into a dark night Sometimes I freeze, sometimes I fight |
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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^Lyrically, I think Rush reached their peak on PW and HYF. In fact I was never a big fan of "prime mover" but I think the lyrics go a long way to saving it. However, I can now honestly say that I don't think there are any weak songs on HYF not even "tai shan." Power Windows has some songs (actually same thing with HYF) that I initially thought were kind of weak (like maybe "emotion detector") but I think they have all grown on me. It's interesting how these albums still sound fresh all these years later.
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verslibre
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Hold Your Fire is nearly as good as Power Windows (a song like "Big Money" is hard to top) and a few notches below Grace Under Pressure, which, pound for pound, delivers consecutive knockout blows myriad bands wish they were capable of (prog and otherwise). The live version of "Turn the Page" from A Show of Hands is even better. Geddy's bass punches through the mix more. I like "Prime Mover" a lot. Now that's an underrated Rush song. "Open Secrets" probably has the best lyrics on the album (I know, it's debatable).
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I just received Hold Your Fire in the mail today. Recently I also received Power Windows and Presto. There's only one other Rush studio album I don't currently have and that one, Grace Under Pressure, is on the way (I had to order it from discogs). I've heard and owned all of these in the past (except for maybe HYF which I borrowed from my brother's friend but not sure if I ever owned it). Anyway, HYF sounds good and maybe even better than I remembered it.
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What, no strangling cat vocals or a hamster on helium?? Clearly I would be all over that album....
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The Arrow instrumentals still make me think they should have done an album without vocals. This kicks so much ass! Rush fans would've lapped up fifty minutes of this kind of stuff.
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Totally love Geddy's playing here, awesome bass lines! The production of this tour was killer as well.....Never more .
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How deserved !
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