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Geologistjavi ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2020 Location: Spain Status: Offline Points: 11 |
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This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard, to say that Jethro Tull is inferior to Pink Floyd, for me both Floyd and Tull are my favorite bands, I have all the albums of both bands but I have to admit that Jethro Tull musically is superior to Pink Floyd, WYWH never reaches the level of TAAB, by God it lacks the floor and understanding of what is sophisticated and intelligent music. WYWH is not a masterpiece but TAAB is and perhaps the best in all the history of progressive rock, when you say these things you have to think well and not be so fanatic. I already said they are my two favorite bands but I recognize that Tull's music is superior to Floyd, I even have to admit that Yes is also superior to Pink Floyd although it is not one of my favorites
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 43440 |
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^^ I know what you mean. I've had a few miscellaneous objects metaphorically thrown at me already this morning on another thread.
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if you had paid attention to the discussion, you would have noticed the OP has changed his mind about TAAB being overrated.
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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Now see, that's how you get miscellaneous objects thrown at you around here, Paul, lol.
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Psychedelic Paul ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 16 2019 Location: Nottingham, U.K Status: Offline Points: 43440 |
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Yes, it's overrated. I'd rather listen to any Camel album instead, including A Nod and a Wink.
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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Yes will always be the top of the pile for me, especially CTTE, but TAAB is right behind in terms of prog mastery.
It's the ultimate un-ironic troll victory of all time IMHO. The starts truly aligned in 1972!
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dr prog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2010 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 2516 |
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I’d take Taab over basically any album. It’s close to perfection. Tull are second to none. The amount of quality songs they have released on their remix series is unmatchable. Great balance of folk, prog and heavy rock. They don’t smother their albums with mellotron. They rely on great melody
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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TAAB > WYWH.
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dr prog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2010 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 2516 |
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Taab is way better than wywh. Pretty much blues based music with some sax on wywh. Taab is much more thoughtful in composition and musicianship. Tull blow Floyd away. They’re just a mellow blues band a lot of the time Edited by dr prog - December 09 2020 at 01:13 |
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Haha, what a silly thread I started over a year ago here. Don't worry folks, i've come around to it and I think it deserves it's acclaim and spot on the charts here. Now with that said, I still prefer Songs From The Wood as my favorite Tull, and in general my favorite era of JT is probably Minstrel-Stormwatch. But I do love me some Passion Play too!
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Geologistjavi ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2020 Location: Spain Status: Offline Points: 11 |
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I think the only album better than Thick as a Brick is another Jethro Tull album ,
Passion Play , In my opinion these two albums are at the top of Prog rock , to me only Foxtrot, Selling England by the Pound , The Wall Of Pink Floyd , Close to the Edge and Relayer from Yes get the level of the two Jethro Tull albums . In the Court Of the Crimson King is a outstanding album but to me doesn’t get the level of the mentioned above . They are my likes and my technical perception on how the progressive rock music should be performed . Thick as a Brick and Passion Play are technically perfect made , for the persons that have not analyzed in details these albums , I would recommend to hear in details the changes in passages and rhythms , but should be analyzed with open mind and put aside your favoritisms . Then may be you can change your point of view about TAAB. I highly recommend to heard Passion Play. |
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Geologistjavi ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2020 Location: Spain Status: Offline Points: 11 |
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I think it is a matter of likes , I don’t know how many people voted for TAAB , but is it highly ranked is because it deserves , remember that the ranking is due for the number of votes , if the majority think like that , personally think it is not highly ranked , should number 1 or 2 , I have heard all the albums you mentioned below , is my opinion none of them is better than TAAB, I suppose you don’t like Jethro Tull , but many people likes , to me the Best Jethro Tull album is not TAAB , is Passion Play . This album is very underrated but in my opinion is one of the best progressive rock albums ever made for his complexity , smartness and sophistication.
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dr prog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: September 25 2010 Location: Melbourne Status: Offline Points: 2516 |
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It may be overrated if you compare to Tulls other remix sets. They’re all deservedly 4.5 stars. The bonus track Kings
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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BarryGlibb ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 28 2010 Location: Melbourne, Oz Status: Offline Points: 1781 |
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I cannot imagine TAAB without side 2; indeed, "Do you believe in the day" section is just about my favourite part of TAAB. The "Do you believe in the day" dirge complements the overall, mostly up, whimsical nature of TAAB. Also the avant-garde section near the start of side 2 just breaks up the whole album. Love it. Just listen to it 17,155 times like I have over the past 47 years and it might just grow on you!
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Those are sublime!
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I don't hear any improvisation in either side of the album... But yeah, the flipside needs more remarkable movements... Maybe Anderson concentrated a little too many ideas on side A at the expense of the flipside.
I can't imagine TAAB without the "Do You Believe" passages.
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richardh ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: February 18 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 29438 |
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Ok I never said you did either. It was just a joke about the whole artist vision being seen (and appreciated). Joke's are never any good if you have to explain it! For me its an excellent album. Lots of great Hammond and drumming and it pleases me. For me, if it has over 1000 ratings then whatever rating it has is fine. One of the problems with the rating system is that there is quite a large jump between 4 and 5 stars. Too many ( myself included) hand out 5 stars because 4 stars just feels that little bit too low. Now if you had 4.5 stars as a 'go to' that might allow the special 5 stars ratings to be used more sparingly. Edited by richardh - July 24 2019 at 00:11 |
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I agree with you but in my opinion there aren't "improvised passages": every step is well-studied, even forced, but the suite in a lot of passages lacks of melody, there is no a clear direction, because they dont find it. You can do beautiful songs without a clear melody, if you play an abstract improvised form where the pleasure of the listeners is listein to the tonal variations of the instruments (King Crimson, Van Der Graaf), or you can do beautiful songs finding a beautiful melody and building around it a good structure and arrangement and so do Jethro Tull at their best, but in TAAB, they are not at their best.
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The Anders ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 02 2019 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 3535 |
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I personally find it rather boring, and it is not that I necessarily don't like long tracks (I'm a big admirer of f.e. "Tubular Bells", "Atom Heart Mother" and "Echoes"). But I usually lose interest when it comes to very long improvised passages, plus I miss a clear structure, but maybe that's just me. Whether it's overrated or not, I can't really judge, because it is clearly not my type of music. I guess it should be more interesting for people who grew up with jazz. I like earlier Jethro Tull stuff such as the Stand Up album.
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