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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2016 at 08:58
^I still haven't acquired the taste for In a Glass House!  LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 24 2016 at 06:02
VdGG: Godbluff and Still Life serve well as starting points. From Gentle Giant I'd recommend Free Hand or Three Friends. Keep away from In a Glass House until you have acquired the taste.
 
And if you can't get enough of eclectic, I strongly recommend Gnidrolog. They sound as if they are in the centre of the triangle Van der Graaf Generator - Gentle Giant - Jethro Tull. In Spite of Harry's Toenail is very good, Lady Lake is a masterpiece.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2016 at 19:11
Pawn Hearts was my first VdGG, but I couldn't recommend it as a starting point.  I didn't even like it at first.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2016 at 17:57
My experience with VDGG was that I often needed several spins to get used to their albums. Many find Hammill's voice uncomfortable at least in the beginning. I had the same experience at first but got into it with time and now they're one of the top acts for me. Also there is some unconventional mixing on some albums that makes the sound seem strange in the beginning, but again, one can get used to it and even appreciate it.
I'd go for Still Life first but with H to He (...) or Pawn Hearts you won't go wrong either as far as I'm concerned.
But whatever you try, give it some time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2016 at 12:18
I'd say that Gentle Giant's debut, Acquiring the Taste, or Free Hand would be good starts. I only know a couple albums of VDGG, so I'm not the best person to recommend that. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2016 at 11:37
Gentle Giant - Acquiring the Taste
VdGG - Godbluff
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2016 at 11:34
From Van Der Graaf Generator, you can try either H to He Who Am the Only One or Still Life, these seem to me as good starters. H to He seems like something you might like based on what I know of your tastes.
As to Gentle Giant, their debut was where I started and the album I still enjoy the most. Wow, this must've been one of the very first prog albums I really liked... Three Friends is also kind of accessible. I liked Power And Glory from the first listen, but I doubt it will appeal to you if you are new to Gentle Giant.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2016 at 10:48
Good to hear, I'll try Awake.
I also thought of trying more of eclectic prog, either Gentle Giant or VDGG, but not sure yet where to begin. Which album(s) of their top period is the easiest to get into?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2016 at 10:20
Originally posted by DDPascalDD DDPascalDD wrote:

I'm getting more and more used to heavier rock music and am listening to a lot of King Crimson and Dream Theater these days. I know that the latter is not a favourite of everyone here, but their music is done with so much energy and contains a lot of detail, got beautiful sound and syphisticated rythmics. The solos are hit or miss, sometimes they mix melody and virtuosity brilliantly but sometimes it's downright boring- playing random fast notes. I can add the album Black Clouds & Silver Linings to my list now with an 8.

Further I can almost add the Crimson albums from debut to Discipline, but I'll need some more time to complete and then compare them to each other, but after a long time I can say that I adore listening to these very "odd" albums.

Don't worry, there are still Dream Theater fans around such as myself. No more fanboys though, they have been replaced by the other extreme. Wink

If you haven't heard it yet, I highly recommend Awake. That's my favorite DT album, and it's probably their most varied as well.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 23 2016 at 02:55
I'm getting more and more used to heavier rock music and am listening to a lot of King Crimson and Dream Theater these days. I know that the latter is not a favourite of everyone here, but their music is done with so much energy and contains a lot of detail, got beautiful sound and syphisticated rythmics. The solos are hit or miss, sometimes they mix melody and virtuosity brilliantly but sometimes it's downright boring- playing random fast notes. I can add the album Black Clouds & Silver Linings to my list now with an 8.

Further I can almost add the Crimson albums from debut to Discipline, but I'll need some more time to complete and then compare them to each other, but after a long time I can say that I adore listening to these very "odd" albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2016 at 09:04
^ I think they should have dropped the ballads, they're definitely not good at it, and make their albums 40/50 minutes long because it's tiresome otherwise. No wonder "Images & Words" is the one I find easier to listen to at once, even though I find it a bit long too.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2016 at 08:39
Agreed with both. I guess they added Through Her Eyes for the listener to "rest the ear" from all the heavier parts, it's not a bad thing, but they could've done it much better.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2016 at 08:35
^ The Lamb is an album that compromises the music because of the concept, in my opinion... just like The Wall Ermm

I always skip "Through Her Eyes", it's such a dreadful track Dead The album flows much better without it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2016 at 07:41
Filling some gaps, which are all great albums. Two double albums, The Lamb from which I like some parts very much but it's very hard to listen in full if it draws to the end. But the best moments are of equal quality of Selling England. 
The other is Metropolis Pt. 2, which is quite the same story. Some parts are great, but I like this one consistently a little more, the only thing is that it goes on too long without changing at some points, which makes it a little boring, but overall it's got a lot of energy and amazing musicianship.
Also I've done Pictures At An Exhibition; making a rock impression of a classical work is a nice idea and they did it very well, but all their other albums were a more pleasant listen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2016 at 13:11
Yeah Crimson is almost endless when you start counting in their best work ie the live releases.

Regarding the "big 6": it is pure bullsh*t made up by fans of X bands....but can be quite helpful if one wants to start with the more wellknown acts before diving in at the deep end. Most older fans that come here laugh their collective arses off when folks start talking about the big 6. There was no such thing back then.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2016 at 12:05
Hmmm... The only lists of big 6 I can find on the internet are those I mentioned...
Anyway, my aim was more to try something different, which could also be something different than avant. I also still have a lot of Crimson which could take quite some time LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2016 at 11:26
I understand your thinking Pascal - after all you're still a young kid with plenty of years ahead of you to dive even deeper into the pork world. I'm however not sure there ever was a concensus on who exactly the big 6 are
Floyd
Crimson
Yes
ELP
Gentle Giant
Camel
Rush
Zappa
Genesis
Van Damme Generator
Tull
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2016 at 10:50
Originally posted by DDPascalDD DDPascalDD wrote:

@ALotOfBottle: I quite liked the first Samla track, quite accessible indeed, but the second one was less to my liking at first spin.
I could give the album a try! 

@Guldbamsen: those two sound very interesting, but I think I need some time to get into it.

In general my plan is to finish off the big 6 and then move on to more avant-garde stuff or anything really different that I haven't tried yet, maybe krautrock, bands like Gentle Giant, VDGG, anything.

As to avant-garde stuff, I would discourage from starting with avant-prog and RIO right away.
How about building your way up with Canterbury scene? If not, than VDGG will be the best option for you.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2016 at 10:45
Originally posted by DDPascalDD DDPascalDD wrote:

I've never tried Jethro Tull, but in general the 'big 6' are Yes, ELP, Genesis, King Crimson, Pink Floyd and Jethro Tull (at least that's what I thought). But one defenitely doesn't have to agree.
Tull seems to be not too hard but has some very good albums every progger should know (at least TAAB and Aqualung).

Minstrel in the Gallery is my favorite from them, the title track is the greatest combination of hard rock and folk I've ever heard.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 30 2016 at 02:16
I've never tried Jethro Tull, but in general the 'big 6' are Yes, ELP, Genesis, King Crimson, Pink Floyd and Jethro Tull (at least that's what I thought). But one defenitely doesn't have to agree.
Tull seems to be not too hard but has some very good albums every progger should know (at least TAAB and Aqualung).
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