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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 15:14
Hold on... don't call equality for imposing a discriminating point system on everyone. I am quite shocked as well, getting more points for being vocal changes the entire game... It would have made sense if you had done it from the start but now it's only confusing really, since now the final results won't be representative either way. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 15:03
I'll give myself a pass on that...  it has been work enough getting these polls going and doing the background work.  I don't have the time to try to force people to voice their thoughts and have interesting discussion and comments. 

I shouldn't have to break out a stick..I don't have the time to force feed all the threads..   so one learns the fine art of doing the fun and productive thing.. offer a carrot instead.  No one forces you to eat it... just don't bitch if you go hungry. Equality is votes is there all it takes is some brains to have an opinion or thoughts on the music.. and the barest of confidence to express it and voila..  you have equality.  Something you should have no problem in doing.. seems to me you have ample quantities of both haha
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 14:55
Glad not to disappoint. I think its up to the poll/topic starter to create something interesting enough to start a discussion. I've never liked the different weighting of reviews, ratings and now votes-mentality of the site. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 14:46
ahhh..  I was expecting that... glad to not be disappointed. Come on man..  it is an encouragement to stimulate discussion. You get what you put in... don't contribute.. you get half a vote.. just spit out a preference.. get 1 vote.. contribute.. get 2 votes.

Nothing more ..nothing less. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 14:44
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Now the 2nd thing we are implementing is a long rumored .. long threatened change to way votes are tabulated.  So starting with the 4 the round we are going with a new way to calculate votes.

collab/PR votes count for 2 votes
posted votes for members count for 1 vote
unposted votes count for 1/2 vote

What? I haven't read anything else than the two last pages here so I thought there was some kind of irony or joke I wasn't getting, but apparently not. If some votes are automatically more valuable than others you collabs can have your battle of of the albums circle jerk for yourself. That's also why I don't rate or review on PA. Bye
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 14:15
not necessarily..  not before we tweaked the voting. Little 'ol I A MOON nearly dumped SWilson out of the tournament and would have if the voting tweaks had been in place.

with them..  interesting to see.. it is a new spin on the old poll. Interested to see just how well it works. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 14:11
Mr. S.Wilson is unbeatable.Big smile

Actually he's a marvel character not a real musician.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 13:32
I didn't want to do that one Andrea.. for cursing at myself for not doing this 1 round earlier hahaha

I imagine it would be very much the same...   most collabs voted for Orme.

The one I would love to see.. the real WTF'r of the tournament.. is to see how the votes in the SWilson - NSRO poll.   It was the vast silent majority that blew Wilson... blew him to victory.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 13:25
... and how about the Crime of the Century/Uomo di Pezza poll?




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 13:21
so let's break down how differently voting could have gone... let's pick a poll.

Good one.  Octopus v. You

Octopus won 40-39

the breakdown (where you can tell how the poster voted haha)

collab/PR votes :
Octopus - 6  You - 14

member votes:
Octopus - 11, You - 12

unlisted votes:
Octopus - 23, You - 13

so under the new formula.. the results would have been (not counting bonus points)

You - 46.5  Octopus - 34.5

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 10:32
the key being..  I am trying to discourage random faceless voting (the half votes). and encourage people to talk about the albums (the potential to gain 2 votes). 

As simple as trying to explain why a particular albums grabs you. So much more interesting than merely stating that 'I voted for X' Thank Andrew for that.. reading his thoughts has been really neat.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 10:30
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Members of the Avant Team's should count as 4 votes


LOL  only if you and Raff finally adopt me!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 10:28
Members of the Avant Team's should count as 4 votes
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 10:20
Now the 2nd thing we are implementing is a long rumored .. long threatened change to way votes are tabulated.  So starting with the 4 the round we are going with a new way to calculate votes.

collab/PR votes count for 2 votes
posted votes for members count for 1 vote
unposted votes count for 1/2 vote

nothing changes in the actual polls themselves. I will update the actual totals a daily until a winner is evident.

the reasoning..   someone noted in the aja-alphabet thread we do have a lack of discussion in these polls. They are and can be so much better with it so I want to encourage that. So I am going to penalize votes that just click and forget. Easy solution if you want your vote to fully count.. put a name and an opinion behind it

now the difference between collab and non collab stated votes.  It not as much to set collabs above as much as to encourage those who are not to step up.  Thoughtful posts and interesting discussion points will get the voter a 2nd point as it were. 

any questions ask away. I'll do the calculations.. and would take nominations for suggestions on awarding bonus discussion points.  It is your contest..for your enjoyment... make it of it what you will.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 10:02


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BREAKING NEWS!! -  We got word this morning that PA's Tournament Chairman Mad Mick wanted to make an announcement to the forum. We just got word he has left his office and is now holding court in the bar and with a microphone. Let's break our regularly scheduled programming and listen to his address.  We'll return to 'How to make a profit running a Prog website' hosted by M@X after this special annoucemnt

'Hello ladies and gentlemen. First off I want to thank everyone for their participation in the contest polls and also thank everyone for their patience as we have severely disrupted the poll section with our flood of polls.  I'll make this short and sweet then answer any questions.

We are changing the schedule of the next stage of the tournament. We were originally going to run the 8 polls of the 4th round of the classics next week, followed the next week by the 8 polls of the modern polls then take a one week break for the Labor Day weekend. Instead of doing that we are taking a break next week and then on Saturday the 29th we will run both the classics and modern 4th round polls (16 in total).  Those polls will run for 2 weeks over the Labor Day weekend since many proggers, including myself with be getting drunk and enjoying Ut Gret and the rest of the bands at Progday.  I felt this was a good move as it relaxes the stranglehold we have had on the polls section for a week plus reflects the notion that with the 4th round we have hit the real decision point for these polls and any winners from these.. could be and should be seen as potential tournament winners. The merely good or simply great have been eliminated. Those albums still standing should be considered the cream of the crop.

after a commerical break I would like to get into another change we are implementing starting with the 4th round...




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 09:10
and Rock Bottom moves on

updated bracket...

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=459336

congratulation to the 16 survivors of the original 128.  4 Be tuned for a special Progspin special announcement.  The deeper we go.. the higher the stakes..  I'm throwing a format change into the works here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 07:26
and would like to wait on the tiebreak being settled being settled before moving on... but don't have all day.  So on to the moderns we go!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 07:21
man...  those are going to be some interesting matchups..

pending the winner of Darwin! v. Rock Bottom here are the updated classic brackets

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=459336
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 07:09
and closed we are!!! tabulating results!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2015 at 06:12
^noted as always!

Last call!!!  Last call! 45 minutes to close!!  Get those last votes for Gong in!! LOL
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