Lima Regional Final: Genesis v. Jethro Toe

The Dark Elf wrote: micky wrote: bhikkhu wrote: dr prog wrote: Tull comfortably. Now that we have all the tull remixes, they have too many strong tracks every year for Genesis to compete with them. I doubt several Genesis fans have the all important tull remixed box sets so they are missing out on half their great tracks Have you ever considered there was a reason a lot of this stuff wasn't released?  hmmm...I'll answer that one Alex. I'll take sh*tty Jethro Tull outtakes for $1000 perhaps it was because they weren't up to the standards of the crap they did release.   hah. It isn't like Tull had albums filled to the brim with classics...  if it didn't make an album...  urrgggg. Nostaglia... the kryptonite to a prog fans intellect.   Micky, forget your almost psychotic love for a second-tier Italian wedding band for a moment. We realize your love in this instance is unnatural and perhaps not even legal in some countries. We still accept you as that sort of weird uncle who we only have to see on certain holidays.   But I will point you to the fact that the output from Tull during the early 70s was phenomenal, to the point where an album of b-sides, EP releases and songs left off albums actually went to #3 in the U.S.; in fact the album Living in the Past was so good, even the Rolling Stone magazine (who usually abhor Tull and consider the New York Dolls musically important) rated the album 5 stars. To this day, it's still one of my favorite Tull albums.

yeah... and that album was done by the PRE-Prog version of the group which no one is their right mind DOES NOT like   That was a great group with 4 great albums.

the issues isn't whether Tull sucks.. they don't.. or whether their 70's stuff sucks.. it doesn't.. they have a leg up on Genesis in that ... the issue really cuts to the heart of what is better... fabulously done folksie-blues rock or average to mediocre prog rock.  For some... including myself.. .Tull died in the heart when they reached for more than they were capable of delivering. 


Edited by micky - January 04 2015 at 14:56

akamaisondufromage wrote: 'Italian Wedding Band'

yeah.. that was good wasn't it

micky wrote: bhikkhu wrote: dr prog wrote: Tull comfortably. Now that we have all the tull remixes, they have too many strong tracks every year for Genesis to compete with them. I doubt several Genesis fans have the all important tull remixed box sets so they are missing out on half their great tracks Have you ever considered there was a reason a lot of this stuff wasn't released?  hmmm...I'll answer that one Alex. I'll take sh*tty Jethro Tull outtakes for $1000 perhaps it was because they weren't up to the standards of the crap they did release.   hah. It isn't like Tull had albums filled to the brim with classics...  if it didn't make an album...  urrgggg. Nostaglia... the kryptonite to a prog fans intellect.

bhikkhu wrote: dr prog wrote: Tull comfortably. Now that we have all the tull remixes, they have too many strong tracks every year for Genesis to compete with them. I doubt several Genesis fans have the all important tull remixed box sets so they are missing out on half their great tracks Have you ever considered there was a reason a lot of this stuff wasn't released?

hmmm...I'll answer that one Alex.

I'll take sh*tty Jethro Tull outtakes for $1000


perhaps it was because they weren't up to the standards of the crap they did release.   hah. It isn't like Tull had albums filled to the brim with classics...  if it didn't make an album...  urrgggg.

Nostaglia... the kryptonite to a prog fans intellect.

dr prog wrote: Tull comfortably. Now that we have all the tull remixes, they have too many strong tracks every year for Genesis to compete with them. I doubt several Genesis fans have the all important tull remixed box sets so they are missing out on half their great tracks

Just checked with the Mrs and she said my votes fine.  But next time I need to aske her first.

^To get on a deeper plane, Genesis could be considered the blue print for what people think prog should sound like. That doesn't necessarily mean that the music they make is progressive. 

Edited by SteveG - January 04 2015 at 14:01

SteveG wrote: Even though Genesis is almost the definition of prog, I have to go with Tull. (or my wife will kill me!)

really... one potential reason I've come up as to why so many like Genesis when the whole adoration BAFFLES the hell out of me is I can Genesis' appeal to those that like them in that they are the anti-thesis to the definition of prog.  These are not virtusos showing what they got and blowing your mind instrumentally.. they are more masters of guile than blunt force trauma or even atmospherics which Tony Banks had no business ever attempting as he was (IMO) very much the weak link musically in that band.. which for a prog band.. is a substantial handicap

Tull comfortably. Now that we have all the tull remixes, they have too many strong tracks every year for Genesis to compete with them. I doubt several Genesis fans have the all important tull remixed box sets so they are missing out on half their great tracks

Edited by dr prog - January 04 2015 at 13:42

Imperial Zeppelin wrote: Jethro Toe. They have a far better masterpiece and a more enjoyable output in general.