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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Check out their streaming tracks here on PA and see what you think.  http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=110 

good starting point???
thats pretty simple, get there myspace accounts, or their sample music links, get the sample song lyrics and listen to them! if you are interested start with retropolice, these guys are really good, if you want i can give their sample links also!
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Bumping for FRBassDevil.

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There's about 20 or so tracks from all the special editions of studio albums. I've been surprised that some didn't make it on the regular release but for the most part I haven't been blown away by any of them. My favorite is probably "She Carved Me A Wooden Heart" from the Adam and Eve extra tracks. I also quite liked "The River" from TSoNE. I haven't gotten a chance  to listen to too much of the limited edition tracks as I got most of them shortly before giving up music. As far as I know there is no place where you can buy the ltd edition tracks digitally; you'll have to get the entire CD which is quite unfortunate because you already have copies of so many of regular releases.
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Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

Hey here's a question,

There are a batch of FK songs that are available only on the Japanese releases or special editions and such, does anyone know of a download service that has the extra tracks?

I've looked for them on iTunes, Amazon and EMusic.
 
I can't really help buddy, but......I've got the special edition of Sum Of No Evil.  The extra tracks are all good, but not outstanding.  I wouldn't swap them for anything on the album proper. 
 
Are there a lot of unreleased tracks knocking about on those Japanese editions?
 
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Hey here's a question,

There are a batch of FK songs that are available only on the Japanese releases or special editions and such, does anyone know of a download service that has the extra tracks?

I've looked for them on iTunes, Amazon and EMusic.
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We're now on Page 8 everybody Clap Clap.

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So, I've only just joined in with this thread and now it's fading away on page 2 Disapprove

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Don't worry Nov.  This is a thread that will definitely NOT be fizzling out. 
 
I've been listening to the albums pretty much in rotation, and I'm currently on Unfold The Future.  Whilst this album is crammed with superlative stuff, just how good is the instrumental break in Genie In A Bottle?
 
I just don't know how these guys do it. 
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Originally posted by TheCaptain TheCaptain wrote:

 
I'd also like to get on record saying that the little instrumentals in SWA are far from filler. A Day at the Mall is the only little song I could consider filler on that album while I consider some other non-instrumentals filler like you Roj.
 
I'd just clarify Captain that I don't really see any of the album as filler as such. There's really only a couple of tracks on the album that I'm not madly keen on, but I wouldn't class them as filler.
 
 
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Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

So I listened to Stardust We Are on the ride into work this morning (heard all of it but the last half hour which I'm taking care of now).

I'd forgotten how good of an album it is.  It's been falling down my personal charts over the past couple months mostly due to the recent acquisition of Unfold the Future and my growing appreciation of The Paradox Hotel. 

I've 'heard' in multiple reviews on here that people take issue with the amount of filler on the album.  I do not see the instrumental interludes as filler material, in fact, I think it helps set the overall mood of the album.  To further that, one of the younger girls that I work with stopped by my cube the other day while Poor Mr. Rain was playing and commented on how pretty it was.

I would not have have predicted Mr. Rain as a gateway to prog but hey if it works.

Roland


Hi Tom, hope you're well.  I'm in total agreement buddy.
 
As I see it (hear it LOL) there's not a minute of filler on disc one of Stardust We Are; it's brilliant from start to finish.  As for disc two, Different People does nowt for me, and I have to be in the mood for Kingdom Of Lies.  Other than that, it's great, and I think the tracks which some describe as filler just provide a break before the amazing title track.
 
I read an interview with Roine somewhere where he said he likes to allow an album to breathe, rather than be bang bang bang all the time.  The instrumental or quieter pieces that some regard as filler can be seen as these interludes Roine speaks of, and personally I think they work well.
 
 


I'd also like to get on record saying that the little instrumentals in SWA are far from filler. A Day at the Mall is the only little song I could consider filler on that album while I consider some other non-instrumentals filler like you Roj.

I had a similar experience as you Roland. I was in a biology lab were looking at various cardiac responses to stimuli. Every group had to pick a "fun" experiment to do to try to affect heart rate. One of the fun experiments dealt with music and we were all in favor of that one. I carry my laptop to class pretty often so I had it on me that day. As the only person with music, I got to subject one of the other members of my group to the wonder of prog. We had to have some calm music to hopefully slow the heart and some aggressive music to hopefully increase the heart rate. For the calm music I picked "If 28" and the guy who was listening to it said it was really good. I gave him plenty of other prog to try to hook him, but my efforts failed.

I am quite anxious for the end of Lent so that I may resume listening to prog and be overjoyed at its reentrance into my life. So often do little snippits of songs enter my head then I am forced to follow that tune all the way to the end of the song. I hate not being as active on this thread and other prog threads because I can have no new appreciations for certain albums.
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Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

So I listened to Stardust We Are on the ride into work this morning (heard all of it but the last half hour which I'm taking care of now).

I'd forgotten how good of an album it is.  It's been falling down my personal charts over the past couple months mostly due to the recent acquisition of Unfold the Future and my growing appreciation of The Paradox Hotel. 

I've 'heard' in multiple reviews on here that people take issue with the amount of filler on the album.  I do not see the instrumental interludes as filler material, in fact, I think it helps set the overall mood of the album.  To further that, one of the younger girls that I work with stopped by my cube the other day while Poor Mr. Rain was playing and commented on how pretty it was.

I would not have have predicted Mr. Rain as a gateway to prog but hey if it works.

Roland
 
Hi Tom, hope you're well.  I'm in total agreement buddy.
 
As I see it (hear it LOL) there's not a minute of filler on disc one of Stardust We Are; it's brilliant from start to finish.  As for disc two, Different People does nowt for me, and I have to be in the mood for Kingdom Of Lies.  Other than that, it's great, and I think the tracks which some describe as filler just provide a break before the amazing title track.
 
I read an interview with Roine somewhere where he said he likes to allow an album to breathe, rather than be bang bang bang all the time.  The instrumental or quieter pieces that some regard as filler can be seen as these interludes Roine speaks of, and personally I think they work well.
 
 
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So I listened to Stardust We Are on the ride into work this morning (heard all of it but the last half hour which I'm taking care of now).

I'd forgotten how good of an album it is.  It's been falling down my personal charts over the past couple months mostly due to the recent acquisition of Unfold the Future and my growing appreciation of The Paradox Hotel. 

I've 'heard' in multiple reviews on here that people take issue with the amount of filler on the album.  I do not see the instrumental interludes as filler material, in fact, I think it helps set the overall mood of the album.  To further that, one of the younger girls that I work with stopped by my cube the other day while Poor Mr. Rain was playing and commented on how pretty it was.

I would not have have predicted Mr. Rain as a gateway to prog but hey if it works.

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Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

Hi everybody.
 
I will not be online all weekend, so if my absence is noted, at least I've told you all Wink.
 
I have a listening to disc 2 of Stardust We Are lined up for tomorrow morning, two of my ultimate favourites to look forward to there - The Merrygoround and of course the title track. I might follow that up with Paradox Hotel or Sum Of No Evil.
 
Hope you all have a great Flower Kings weekend.
 
 
 
I notice you're in the best part of your TFK flow right now. I've experienced it too a few years ago when I bought all their albums in short period of time. You get in a state of ecstasy, intoxication almost by the sheer beauty that's coming over you. It's what TFK does to you. Enjoy it, my friend !
 
Now a few years further it's sunk in all more and now I enjoy them more in a sober state. But their ultimate class always remains and they remain addictive. They will rule for ever in my life.
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Watch out guys ! New TFK topic coming up. Look in the poll section. It's about their intros. One sad thing though: I noticed a few of us "die hards" still miss out on the Flower Power release and that's a pity because it's more or less essential for the poll. Sorry, can't help it. The more reason to get it as quick as you can !!!!
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I won't bother with ratings but here's how I rank the 10 studio albums:

1.  Space Revolver
2.  Flower Power
3.  Unfold The Future
4.  Stardust We Are
5.  Paradox Hotel
6.  Back In The World Of Adventures
7.  Retropolis
8.  The Rainmaker
9.  The Sum Of No Evil
10. Adam And Eve


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Hi everybody.
 
I will not be online all weekend, so if my absence is noted, at least I've told you all Wink.
 
I have a listening to disc 2 of Stardust We Are lined up for tomorrow morning, two of my ultimate favourites to look forward to there - The Merrygoround and of course the title track. I might follow that up with Paradox Hotel or Sum Of No Evil.
 
Hope you all have a great Flower Kings weekend.
 
 
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Clap You understood my un-logical logic! hahaha

Yes, it's difficult to go there, between OBJECTIVE and SUBJECTIVE, and also depends in which point of view you are looking! I mean, looking in a OBJECTIVE point of view, all TFK albums, and most modern Prog bands, they are 4 stars and 5 stars. But I think you(not refferin to you in particular) need to take(sometimes) in account the band's other efforts, like The Rainmaker and Unfold the Future, both musically are awesome, but comparing them you see one is very weak compared to the other, so you really can't rate both equally...

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Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Originally posted by progrules progrules wrote:

Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

^ ...... I was planning to give it a 4 stars, to be honest, hahaha

Just listened to it...
 
Glad you like it Pablo, it makes a change for me to recommend one for you Wink.
 
I'd rate it as a 4.5 myself, but the first track is simply wonderful so I'd round up to 5, when I get the chance to post a review Stern Smile.
 
Ok you're the man Roy Clap. I'm disappointed in The Captain and Cacho though Cry. Goodness me, how good does an album have to get for a masterpiece status ?????  Cacho do you really believe Triumvirat is a better album than Karmakanic ? I saw you gave that one 5 stars. Illusions on a double dimple is a good album but at least a star less than Who's the Boss. But of course we get back to the old discussion then about matter of taste which is undiscussable of course. Still, too bad but I respect your decision. I have to, alas.


The rating system, please ingnore it from my reviews, well at least pay attention most to the review.

Please don't compare ratings, because you'll probably find me saying that I prefer a 4 stars album I rated to a 5 stars I rated. 5 stars aren't really that I like so much, if not that truly deserve the ''masterpiece'' label for being, dunno, just when I hear it, I know when it is, hahaha... You see, Triumvirat's Illusions, isn't so awesome, but I mean, they're 2 songs, very well arranged, with some stunning perfomances, and just by hearing it all the way through, I just can't think of it as another thing as a ''masterpiece'', which btw, in my review I noted that it WASN'T a Prog Masterpiece/Essential, if not Triumvirat's Masterpiece.
 
Don't get me wrong, Karmakanic is AWESOME, but I don't think the ''masterpiece'' status fit, but if I write my review for it, you'll read that I praise it A LOT!!
 
Okay, I'm trying to see what you mean here. There is at least something I recognize when you say "when you hear it you know it's a masterpiece". I sometimes have that feel with a few and those are Room V by Shadow Gallery, The Visitor by Arena, V by Symphony X and Into the Electric Castle by Ayreon. Those four are not really my favourites of all time PERSONALLY but I just FEEL and KNOW they are masterpieces. And of course in the end you will have to like it too because for example maybe Thick as a Brick or Dark Side of the Moon are also masterpieces but I don't have a positiv feel about them, so I can't give them 5.
And that's where this becomes a tough problem because there actually two ways of rating: the OBJECTIVE and the SUBJECTIVE rating. And sometimes I have a hard time choosing between them. Most of the time I rate subjectively but if I understand you right you do it the objective way ?


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Okay guys, can't stay behind here. I did a little research in my own preferences concerning the albums and it's actually very interesting what I discovered. If I do a song by song rating I get pretty low averages for each album. At first I thought this was very strange but if you think about it there is a very logical explanation.
For understanding this you have to know that I like their long stuff extremely much and their shorter songs are almost all dispensable for me. So if you rate all songs and make a one on one average you get low total averages for each album and we don't want that of course. So I made a sort of model in excel where I did a weigh for the length of each song * the rating and then we get the averages we want. And they are totally different !!
I will show both scores for each album:
                                        unweighed   weighed
Flower King                      4.06                4.37
Back in the World            3.78                4.09
Retropolis                         3.59                4.02
Stardust we Are                3.25               3.94
Flower Power                   3.44                4.36
Space Revolver               3.83                 4.14
Rainmaker                       3.55                3.97
Unfold the Future             3.61               4.05
Adam & Eve                       3.33               3.91
Paradox Hotel                   3.46                3.81
Sum of No EVil                 4.17                4.38
 
Big differences don't you think ? If I had to deal with the unweighed averages TFK would be just an average band. And we don't like to think that, do we ? Biggest difference is Flower Power which is very logical. Garden of Dreams is a one hour song and I gave it 5 stars so that counts big time of course. This is also the main reason why I gave the album 5 stars on PA eventhough 4 would have been more fair. Same goes for  Paradox Hotel which appears my least favourite to my big surprise. I gave them 5 on PA just because of Monsters & Men. Went a little too far there I'm afraid.
 
After this calculation I could easily make one for Cacho's thread about the three TFK periods and also there I made a mistake. I chose the first period but as you can see it should have been the middle, another surprise ! But what I was right about: it's very very close. Very consistent band TFK
 
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Flower King - 4.5 stars
Back In The World - 3.5
Retropolis  - 3.5
Stardust We Are - haven't heard it, yet
Flower Power - haven't heard it, yet
Space Revolver -5 stars, maybe not as brilliant as UTF, but this one is the most solid release
Rainmaker - haven't heard it, yet
Unfold The Future - Disc 1 is a masterpiece, Disc 2, quite meh. 4.5 stars/4
Adam And Eve - As solid as Space Revolver, just that the great tunes here are less great than the ones of Space Revolver. 4 stars
Paradox Hotel - Consistent in Good stuff, few killer stuff. 4 stars
Sum Of No Evil - too long stuff..... 3.5 stars

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