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The game i'm most looking forward to this weekend is Atlanta going into New Orleans. I do think Atlanta will win but New Orleans will be pumped having their coach back, it could be a really good game.
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

A national writer who predicts that the Detroit Lions will win the NFC North.  How is that for going out on a limb?
http://mmqb.si.com/2013/09/03/the-mmqbs-2013-predictions-and-preview-spectacular/4/






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A national writer who predicts that the Detroit Lions will win the NFC North.  How is that for going out on a limb?

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/09/03/the-mmqbs-2013-predictions-and-preview-spectacular/4/
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All I know is given how absolutely sh*t the Giants secondary is...I am not looking forward to the manning bowl Unhappy
The D line better step up and pummel him or else Peyton will have 10 TDs against usLOL
 
 
Also I never make serious SB predictions this early in the season so for kicks: SF vs Denver, with SF winning.
I'd say a real manning SB, played here in NJ but that's just a bit too silly even for me
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But isnt that the debate? Individual achievements? When we're trying to determine actual skill, isn't that the point?

We're not talking clutch ability or how good the team was. Romo is a very good QB after all but has terrible clutch performance, doesnt take away from his actual skill, just his intangibles. Whatever, really not gunna debate it after this.  
It's understood, if you're realistic, how good Peyton is. After Edge left they never had a real run game, and  they NEVER had a real defense...just 2 edge rushers and Bob Sanders. Recall the joke, Peyton was the most important defensive player, because without him in control the Colts entire D falls apart (because they suck honestly).
He ran such a simple offense, yet people still couldn't stop it.
 
And of course I dont buy the whole "weak opponent" stuff. What do you want? That Bears team had a great defense, great run game, and effective enough QB. Isnt that the classic football we all moan about being gone??? Ive said this before as well, this is not the BCS! There are playoffs. We can say x was really better, y was a joke but they beat the teams to make it there, what else can you ask for? That be that!
 
 
 
 
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I don't care about any of Peyton's individual achievements, he has done so little considering the teams he has been on. Had the best team in the AFC for about a decade, with constant dome-field advantage, and managed 1 Super Bowl win against possibly the weakest team to make a Super Bowl. Then he goes to the best team in the AFC last year and also blows it. Outside of 2-3 games he has been nothing but a screw-up in the playoffs and the way he has ended the last two playoff games he's played gives that statement more than SOME validity. He'll get you through the regular season, put up all the stats MVP voters love, film a billion commercials, but when the playoffs roll around you're better off calling up his brother.

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Aw cmon Peyton, keep throwing! Gret a 7th TD, ideally to one of my fantasy WRs :P
Edit: Thanks man! I knew he was reading thisLOL
 
 
Well I do believe in terms of pure skill, Rodgers is probably the best QB in the NFL, with Brees being up there.
IDK where exactly Peyton and Brady rank (though Brady is lower) but I dont have em 1/2 as most people/the media do. I always gave Peyton some botd at Indy, that team was pretty crap recently...they wouldnt even make the post season without him. He has gone to 2 SBs and has had post season success, when the team was better.
If he flops again though, I'll admit there has to be SOME validity to the claim. Also we've seen QBs (Rodgers, Eli, Ben and even Brady) go to the SB and even win some with pretty poor teams around em.


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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Not to sound biased but f**k BALTIMORE!

I don't think Ben's a superstar outside of the Pittsburgh area, btw. Think his rep is still pretty bad. His sucking in 2 out of the 3 Super Bowl's he's been to holds him back, as well. Don't get me wrong, he's led us to great things and we'd have gone nowhere without him but man can he ever be frustrating.
Maybe not, but he's a superstar on ESPN.


You're clearly getting a different version of ESPN than I am. He's never even brought up when they discuss elite QBs. It's Brady, Peyton (despite he's awful postseason history), Brees, and Rodgers (1 SB and he leapt right past Ben into the convo somehow).

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

And Manning shredding the Ravens makes me feel so good inside.


Me too but what an idiot that Denver LB is. When will these guys learn? Be more like Barry Sanders and Larry Fitzgerald: get the TD and hand the ball to the ref.

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haha fair enough but Ben vs Flacco, one deff has a bigger appeal and sorry it is not Joe.  

Oh I do understand. Eli was invaluable for 2 SB wins (2 for 2 btw) and with how crap the Giants have been overall, without him we'd have like 4-5 wins the last 2 years. Sincerely, he bailed us out of so many games that should've been losses. Not to mention our sh*t OC, leaving us in constant 3rd and longs and he just makes that throw to convert. Yet he's still a bit streaky and still makes throws that defy logic. Frustrating I know oh too well.
 
 
See take this game. How on Earth was that obvious Wes drop called a catch? Crazier is how it went unchallenged but still, what a bad call and the game literally turned on that bad call. Though Flacco still doesn't seem quite on and Peyton is on fire. 5 TDs in 3 quarters??


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Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Not to sound biased but f**k BALTIMORE!

I don't think Ben's a superstar outside of the Pittsburgh area, btw. Think his rep is still pretty bad. His sucking in 2 out of the 3 Super Bowl's he's been to holds him back, as well. Don't get me wrong, he's led us to great things and we'd have gone nowhere without him but man can he ever be frustrating.


Maybe not, but he's a superstar on ESPN.

And Manning shredding the Ravens makes me feel so good inside.
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Not to sound biased but f**k BALTIMORE!

I don't think Ben's a superstar outside of the Pittsburgh area, btw. Think his rep is still pretty bad. His sucking in 2 out of the 3 Super Bowl's he's been to holds him back, as well. Don't get me wrong, he's led us to great things and we'd have gone nowhere without him but man can he ever be frustrating.


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Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Not everyone loves the Ravens, just the league
But again, this is coming from you. You see no bias here?
 
Honestly, I'm pretty much neutral on BAL and I've seen nothing largely pro them in terms of good calls and etc compared to anyone else. The refs just suck man.
Besides why on Earth would the league favor them anyway? They aren't a national team, even till the end Ray Lewis still had a bad rep with a lot of people, Flacco (at least before the SB win) was deff not a stud/superstar while someone like Big Ben was. In fact the Ravens always ran their mouths about the reffing and how they are unfavored. Remember 07 "its tough to play the Pats and the refs"? If anything the NFL should dislike the RavensLOL I havn't seen a favorability to them, nor do I see why there would be.
 
The Pats, Packers and Saints off the top of my head have had the most favored status of the league.
 
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I never was one for specific predictions (how the NFL is these days, a team can honestly be 6-10 or 10-6 basically on the flip of a switch) but guess I'll jump on:
 
NFC EAST:
Redskins (realistically)
Giants (better potential but so many ?s)
Cowboys
Eagles (too much change and ?s for now)
 
NFC South
Falcons
Saints
Buccs
Panthers
 
NFC North
Pakcers
Bears
Lions
Vikings
 
NFC West, the fun division
49ers
Seahawks (will be damn good but just cant quite top everything SF has)
Rams
Cardinals (even they will be improved, good D, Off should be better, this may be a crazy division)
 
 
AFC East, as usual one of the worst and least fun divisions
Pats
Phins, may have some improvement
Bills, god knows what we're getting
Jets, LOL   
 
AFC North, hm this is a pretty tough one IMO
Bengals
Ravens
Steelers
ANY of those 3 can really take this
Browns
 
AFC South
Texans
Colts
Jags
Titans   honestly idk, those last 2 can go either way
 
AFC West
Broncos
 
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uh wow IDK this division is always insane/awful
Chiefs
Chargers
Raiders
 
 
 
 
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Not everyone loves the Ravens, just the league


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Yeah, honestly I think we all (myself included but I admit he makes it hard) need to just ignore MoM on the Ravens.

I think we all are pretty fair and honest here, while still being fans, but his comments on the Ravens are the most insane stuff I've ever heard. Of course sh*t happens, but that does every single game...literally every game.
Pretty biased to single out the Ravens, naturally, as the benefactors of bad reffing. And just to throw it out there....the media, as well as regular people, pretty much treat the Stillers like gods, and the phony stiller fans come out when they visit to fill 60% of the stadium, so his constant whining how everyone loves the Ravens (which itself doesnt make sense) got quite annoying.
tl;dr so far this game hasn't been any worse reffed than any other, which granted is usually not very good! Missing all the "omg wtf are you serious?" calls then flagging plays that are questionable at best!
 
 
Typical opening game, pretty sloppy. Lots of silly mistakes, neither QB really looks terribly on yet.
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I hate the Ravens but don't agree with your yellow colored glasses view of them.

However, yes I agree with this game. Should clearly have been a safety called in the first quarter first and foremost
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Unf**kingreal. Ravens have to be the luckiest team in nfl history


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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:



Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Chargers 7-9 (have no idea what Equality sees in this team every year)
Oakland 3-13

You're thinking of the Chiefs. I expect the chargers to go 0-16 every year.And that's a good comeback player. I forgot about him.


You're right, that should've been on the line above.

Typical Birdies game so far... Flacco throws moron passes and doesn't pay for them and the refs are unable to call a penalty against them


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Finally! Football is back, assuming the Ravens actually want to play....they seem pretty unenthused thus far.
Really don't have a preference, but with Wes and Dem Thomas on fantasy I need Peyton to go huge...to them of course.
 
 
I get why people why liked the Chiefs, I just thought they were incorrect. Reason being they had a solid D and good run game, problem is: not much else, QB. People assumed Matt Cassel was good, (I was never sold since being on the Pats is not a true test) and sure enough....
That said it's known I was a big Alex Smith fan. He's better than Cassel, but is now on a worse team. He actually has even LESS weapons than on SF, but still it's a solid team so he should at least be efficient.
 
 
Let the season begin gents


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Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:


Chargers 7-9 (have no idea what Equality sees in this team every year)
Oakland 3-13


You're thinking of the Chiefs. I expect the chargers to go 0-16 every year.

And that's a good comeback player. I forgot about him.


Edited by Equality 7-2521 - September 05 2013 at 20:03
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