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Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

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^  I waffle a bit on Unfold the Future, there are times when I absolute love it and other times that it's merely another great Flower Kings CD.  It could stem from my relatively low tolerance for jazz.  I generally prefer the English symphonic stylings rather than the more American blues and jazz influence.  I appreciate that it's a great album but it doesn't do it for me all of the time.

Unrelated, what happened to the Captain, I haven't seen him post in a while.


Not sure if you got my question... I want to know if you think it's TFK's magnum opus, objectively...I know, that I don't like it as much as Space Revolver nor Adam & Eve, but I still think it's The Flower Kings most mature effort, full of complex arrangements and top-notch musicianship all-through.

So?....

About Captain, I really have no idea...


Actually, I understood the question, just don't have a full fledged answer for it (probably shouldn't have posted, but I felt compelled for some reason).

I'd have to give it another critical listen.  I think my difficulty lies in that I don't necessarily see the most complex arrangement as the most mature.  Dream Theater's "Misunderstood" is an excellent example of this.  The first five minutes of the song is a wonderfully mature ballad about expectations and obtaining superhero status.  Then the entire vibe of the song is ruined by a horribly complex bit of John Petrucci slaying a small mammal with his E String.  Some of their more mature recordings (to me) are the ones where they tone it down a bit and keep it simple. 

Complexity and maturity aren't always synonymous to me.

I see Stardust as their best album or at least most mature.  Everything flows together seamlessly (with one glaring exception) and just about everything serves a point, no excess.

Not sure if that answers your question Cacho, though I will try and give Unfold the Future a critical listen this weekend.


Ah sorry man, I also, sort-of, knew you had understood the question....hope I didn't offend you with that...

Anyways thanks for the answer! However, I didn't meant to say that maturity drives to complexity, was just reffering their album as their most complex, and at the same time most mature.



No worries, not offended at all, :)  and thanks for the clarification on the maturity vs complexity, I did misunderstand what you were saying there.

I will agree that Unfold the Future is their most complex CD.
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Originally posted by infandous infandous wrote:

Interesting Unfold discussion.

Even though it's not my favorite FK album, I think it's their best.  It's the most diverse and, yes,  the most mature composition-wise.  It's certainly the only album that reflects their live show properly (they always do improv in the live shows, and they are always looser live.......even when they had Salazar, and even on Instant Delivery, though that last is certaily the least loose to my ears).

But the main thing I think for me is that it is their first album that doesn't remind me of other bands or have overt references to them (the chorus of The Truth being an exception, sounding very much like Yes).  I feel like it was the album where their style came into it's own really.

Of course, I like the earlier albums better.  But that doesn't mean Unfold wasn't a huge step up for them.  It's a peak I don't imagine they will ever hit again (of course, I still love everything they have done and will probably love whatever they come up with next).




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Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

^  I waffle a bit on Unfold the Future, there are times when I absolute love it and other times that it's merely another great Flower Kings CD.  It could stem from my relatively low tolerance for jazz.  I generally prefer the English symphonic stylings rather than the more American blues and jazz influence.  I appreciate that it's a great album but it doesn't do it for me all of the time.

Unrelated, what happened to the Captain, I haven't seen him post in a while.


Not sure if you got my question... I want to know if you think it's TFK's magnum opus, objectively...I know, that I don't like it as much as Space Revolver nor Adam & Eve, but I still think it's The Flower Kings most mature effort, full of complex arrangements and top-notch musicianship all-through.

So?....

About Captain, I really have no idea...


Actually, I understood the question, just don't have a full fledged answer for it (probably shouldn't have posted, but I felt compelled for some reason).

I'd have to give it another critical listen.  I think my difficulty lies in that I don't necessarily see the most complex arrangement as the most mature.  Dream Theater's "Misunderstood" is an excellent example of this.  The first five minutes of the song is a wonderfully mature ballad about expectations and obtaining superhero status.  Then the entire vibe of the song is ruined by a horribly complex bit of John Petrucci slaying a small mammal with his E String.  Some of their more mature recordings (to me) are the ones where they tone it down a bit and keep it simple. 

Complexity and maturity aren't always synonymous to me.

I see Stardust as their best album or at least most mature.  Everything flows together seamlessly (with one glaring exception) and just about everything serves a point, no excess.

Not sure if that answers your question Cacho, though I will try and give Unfold the Future a critical listen this weekend.


Ah sorry man, I also, sort-of, knew you had understood the question....hope I didn't offend you with that...

Anyways thanks for the answer! However, I didn't meant to say that maturity drives to complexity, was just reffering their album as their most complex, and at the same time most mature.

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Interesting Unfold discussion.

Even though it's not my favorite FK album, I think it's their best.  It's the most diverse and, yes,  the most mature composition-wise.  It's certainly the only album that reflects their live show properly (they always do improv in the live shows, and they are always looser live.......even when they had Salazar, and even on Instant Delivery, though that last is certaily the least loose to my ears).

But the main thing I think for me is that it is their first album that doesn't remind me of other bands or have overt references to them (the chorus of The Truth being an exception, sounding very much like Yes).  I feel like it was the album where their style came into it's own really.

Of course, I like the earlier albums better.  But that doesn't mean Unfold wasn't a huge step up for them.  It's a peak I don't imagine they will ever hit again (of course, I still love everything they have done and will probably love whatever they come up with next).


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Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

^  I waffle a bit on Unfold the Future, there are times when I absolute love it and other times that it's merely another great Flower Kings CD.  It could stem from my relatively low tolerance for jazz.  I generally prefer the English symphonic stylings rather than the more American blues and jazz influence.  I appreciate that it's a great album but it doesn't do it for me all of the time.

Unrelated, what happened to the Captain, I haven't seen him post in a while.


Not sure if you got my question... I want to know if you think it's TFK's magnum opus, objectively...I know, that I don't like it as much as Space Revolver nor Adam & Eve, but I still think it's The Flower Kings most mature effort, full of complex arrangements and top-notch musicianship all-through.

So?....

About Captain, I really have no idea...


Actually, I understood the question, just don't have a full fledged answer for it (probably shouldn't have posted, but I felt compelled for some reason).

I'd have to give it another critical listen.  I think my difficulty lies in that I don't necessarily see the most complex arrangement as the most mature.  Dream Theater's "Misunderstood" is an excellent example of this.  The first five minutes of the song is a wonderfully mature ballad about expectations and obtaining superhero status.  Then the entire vibe of the song is ruined by a horribly complex bit of John Petrucci slaying a small mammal with his E String.  Some of their more mature recordings (to me) are the ones where they tone it down a bit and keep it simple. 

Complexity and maturity aren't always synonymous to me.

I see Stardust as their best album or at least most mature.  Everything flows together seamlessly (with one glaring exception) and just about everything serves a point, no excess.

Not sure if that answers your question Cacho, though I will try and give Unfold the Future a critical listen this weekend.
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Originally posted by infandous infandous wrote:


Finally, to Progrules, I should mention that all those reviews were written over the past several years........but were posted before I figured out how to have my name be a link to my profile page.  So they were all missing.  I had wanted to rewrite and edit many of them, so I decided to do it.  So, yes, I cheated a little Embarrassed  (but, in my defense, some of them, like Flower Power, are considerably more detailed than they were originally)


 
Like I suggested I made a recommendation for you in the collaborator zone but the only one who reacted was Cacho stating exactly what you are saying in the above statement. Personally I don't really care how someone posts his reviews as long as they post them, especially if they are about TFK and related !
Talking about TFK related: I saw your review about I AM by Tomas and noticed you gave it 5 stars. Slightly overdone maybe but it surely is a great album. I always wondered how someone could pick an avatar and not even review the album, but there it was (finally) Wink



Yeah, well again, that I AM review was done back around 2006 or so.  I fleshed it out a bit and posted it under my current alias.  I understand why Catcho would bring that up, but I also think it's kind of unfair that I had all those reviews written, but none of them are associated with my "official" profile page and review listings.  That is why I'm updating and re-submitting so many of them.  I DO feel a bit guilty since they are, for the most part, not new (I'm also skewing the ratings......but I'd be quite happy if the admins would delete the old ones from the system.....something that may not be easy for them to do so I haven't asked).  But I also want them to show up in my profile page and be editable.

In any case, I don't mind if they don't promote me for whatever reasons.  I'm just happy the site exists and that I can contribute in my own small and insignificant way Big smile

As to I AM, I don't think 5 stars is overdoing it at all.  I don't give a lot of 5 stars (though I don't give many 1 or 2 stars at all either), but that album just moves me on a very personal level, musically and lyrically.  So I had to do it (my original review gave it 4 stars, but 3 + years later, I think it deserves the full 5 as I still listen to it more than some Flower Kings albums).




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Here's my take on Unfold The Future. 
 
It is a great album (as are all by TFK) but strangely it's the shorter tracks which make it for me.  That is with the exception of Silent Inferno which is truly stunning, and the best of f the album and my all-time number 5 by TFK.  Though it has some great parts, I really find The Truth.. a bit less cohesive than most TFK epics to be honest.  Devil's Playground is much better though.
 
With the shorter tracks there's some real classics, quite a few of which have just sort of crept up on me over time.  Genie In A Bottle is one of those, as is Monkey Business.  I've always loved the happy vibe of Black And White and Fast Lane, plus there's the aforementioned Silent Inferno.  When I'm in the mood for it Cristianopel is great too.
 
So what do I think is TFK's magnum opus?  Tough call.  Stardust We Are has more stellar music overall whereas Space Revolver is incredibly consistent.  I also love World Of Adventures, with most bands that would be their best album right at the start, not TFK though.  I'd probably go with Stardust.  Disc one is just sooooo good from start to finish, and then disc two has The Merrygoround, End Of Innocence and of course the very small matter of the title track.
 
Incidentally, almost on to page 14 now!!  Well done to all of us Clap.  
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Originally posted by cacho cacho wrote:

Hey guys! Been curious about one thing.... I've always found Unfold The Future, at least Disc 1, to be TFK's best effort, in the sense of maturity and compositions...

By no means my favorite, but everytime I listen to it(listening to it right now), I find it very unique, and truly more elaborated than the rest. Not grabbing from the first listens, yet very rewarding after many listens. Of course, most of this is due to the very notable jazzy leanings and, probably, TFK's most complex arrangements.

What do you think?
Unfold the future is great achievement , i like it becouse of the epic tracks there The truth will set you free is a real gem in Prog music, Silent inferno is awesome song, Devil's playground is such e scarily superb song, and not only long ones also other tracks are great too ,   Black and white  is stunning , Grand old work with sax in the background just brings jazzy feeling to a supreme level , Fast lane.. jazzy , unearthly solos that freeze my blood and makes me transient  ..  Soul vortex, descent and more than that .. and just like that the rest of the album is rich , demanding listen, but if one catch the tunes hiden behind .. will be very close to achieving nirvana . 
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Originally posted by Roland113 Roland113 wrote:

^  I waffle a bit on Unfold the Future, there are times when I absolute love it and other times that it's merely another great Flower Kings CD.  It could stem from my relatively low tolerance for jazz.  I generally prefer the English symphonic stylings rather than the more American blues and jazz influence.  I appreciate that it's a great album but it doesn't do it for me all of the time.

Unrelated, what happened to the Captain, I haven't seen him post in a while.


Not sure if you got my question... I want to know if you think it's TFK's magnum opus, objectively...I know, that I don't like it as much as Space Revolver nor Adam & Eve, but I still think it's The Flower Kings most mature effort, full of complex arrangements and top-notch musicianship all-through.

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About Captain, I really have no idea...
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^  I waffle a bit on Unfold the Future, there are times when I absolute love it and other times that it's merely another great Flower Kings CD.  It could stem from my relatively low tolerance for jazz.  I generally prefer the English symphonic stylings rather than the more American blues and jazz influence.  I appreciate that it's a great album but it doesn't do it for me all of the time.

Unrelated, what happened to the Captain, I haven't seen him post in a while.
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Hey guys! Been curious about one thing.... I've always found Unfold The Future, at least Disc 1, to be TFK's best effort, in the sense of maturity and compositions...

By no means my favorite, but everytime I listen to it(listening to it right now), I find it very unique, and truly more elaborated than the rest. Not grabbing from the first listens, yet very rewarding after many listens. Of course, most of this is due to the very notable jazzy leanings and, probably, TFK's most complex arrangements.

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Originally posted by angelmk angelmk wrote:

yeah, TFK has fan even in Macedonia, that is practicaly Mars,just diferent name Wink


Then, I am from your neighborhood's planet. Big smile Greetz.
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Finally, to Progrules, I should mention that all those reviews were written over the past several years........but were posted before I figured out how to have my name be a link to my profile page.  So they were all missing.  I had wanted to rewrite and edit many of them, so I decided to do it.  So, yes, I cheated a little Embarrassed  (but, in my defense, some of them, like Flower Power, are considerably more detailed than they were originally)


 
Like I suggested I made a recommendation for you in the collaborator zone but the only one who reacted was Cacho stating exactly what you are saying in the above statement. Personally I don't really care how someone posts his reviews as long as they post them, especially if they are about TFK and related !
Talking about TFK related: I saw your review about I AM by Tomas and noticed you gave it 5 stars. Slightly overdone maybe but it surely is a great album. I always wondered how someone could pick an avatar and not even review the album, but there it was (finally) Wink
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yeah, TFK has fan even in Macedonia, that is practicaly Mars,just diferent name Wink

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Excellent first post here AstralliS Wink

Good to see that TFK have fans in Serbia as well Smile


Thank you very much, Nov. Wink

I bet that bands like TFK have their fans even on Mars. This is amazing. Big smile
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I've introduced myself in THE FLOWER KINGS via "The Flower King" achievement few years ago and it was a real revelation for me. I've got interested to this Swedes, discovered how "far" they've gone. Also got my hands to the other projects of Roine and simply he's one of the greatest minds on the scene nowadays. It's thanklessly to compare TFK with some other acts, but I've always been looking at the other bands/projects Roine featured as TFK's siblings. Kaipa is remarkable, I simply cannot find the words to describe that greatness. The Tangent and Transatlantic. What more to say? I bet you people know already everything about this two masterpieces. And, I have to share my delight with you about Transatlantic reunion. Someone would say it's gonna be a progressive album of the year. :) And finally, these days actual Roine's project, Agents of Mercy. I really enjoyed it, it's a blast, indeed. I was trying to find Roine's solo album from the beginnning of his career, called "Fantasia", but didn't have so much success with that. Anyone listened?

At the end, as this is topic about The Flower Kings, I will not prolong this anymore and as a final conclusion, I can freely say that TFK is the band which definitely marked out my life.


Excellent first post here AstralliS Wink

Good to see that TFK have fans in Serbia as well Smile


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I'd have loved to chat with any of the guys, they seem like such a fun and good natured bunch of guys.


They are really very humble and easy to talk to.

I had a chat with them after their "Circus Brimstone" gig in London (supported by Magenta) and then a longer one after their gig at the Classic Rock Society in Rotherham in 2006. I must admit I'd had a few beers that night and was probably embarrassingly gushing towards them Embarrassed

I'm actually as in awe of these guys as I was Genesis and Yes when I was a teenager so to be able to meet and chat with them after gigs in small clubs is simply amazing.


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I've introduced myself in THE FLOWER KINGS via "The Flower King" achievement few years ago and it was a real revelation for me. I've got interested to this Swedes, discovered how "far" they've gone. Also got my hands to the other projects of Roine and simply he's one of the greatest minds on the scene nowadays. It's thanklessly to compare TFK with some other acts, but I've always been looking at the other bands/projects Roine featured as TFK's siblings. Kaipa is remarkable, I simply cannot find the words to describe that greatness. The Tangent and Transatlantic. What more to say? I bet you people know already everything about this two masterpieces. And, I have to share my delight with you about Transatlantic reunion. Someone would say it's gonna be a progressive album of the year. :) And finally, these days actual Roine's project, Agents of Mercy. I really enjoyed it, it's a blast, indeed. I was trying to find Roine's solo album from the beginnning of his career, called "Fantasia", but didn't have so much success with that. Anyone listened?

At the end, as this is topic about The Flower Kings, I will not prolong this anymore and as a final conclusion, I can freely say that TFK is the band which definitely marked out my life.
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Heh, I do believe that you've just inspired my music choice for the ride home this evening.  Actually, it's kind of ironic...I started the day out with "The Garden of Dreams"  we'll end the day with "The Truth Will Set You Free" a fitting song for leaving work if I do say so myself.
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Yeah, they generally are.  They are mostly pretty quiet though (unless you get to know them well, I am told).

The other thing I forgot to mention was when I asked Jonas if it was hard doing the bass line for The Truth Will Set You Free (on the original album recording).  He said, no, not hard at all.  Just long.  As a musician I felt rather humbled by that comment, as the song strikes me as something hard to play.  But I guess for Jonas, it's just another day at the office so to speak LOL
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