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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Chaser Chaser wrote:

Another one to look at in regard to "herd immunity" is Belarus, where the president has ordered everything to carry on as normal, and people just need to drink more vodka to combat the effects of the virus.

Having been sick for a week and a half now with Coronavirus after returning from Spain, I can honestly say that this is no joke and needs to be taken very seriously.

I have had pneumonia like symptoms and breathing difficulties and, whilst I am now on the mend, I can still feel the virus on my chest and it's not very pleasant at all!
OMG! I'm so glad that you're recovering! As an old timer, I can't imagine what it would be like to endure such symptoms. All the best to you.



Thanks Steve - appreciate your good wishes. I should be okay, but even so, I'm 48, but I play football twice a week, cricket once a week,gym every week, I've got good lung function, no health issues, and I don't smoke, but this thing still hit me like a freight train.

It left me feeling like I'd been put through the mincer, and my lungs felt like they'd been shredded.

I feel incredibly sorry for elderly people or those with pre-existing health conditions. They are really going to struggle with this.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Still way lower than seasonal flu--   approaching 21,000 deaths worldwide for covid;  23,000 deaths from common flu this season just in the US.




The US is going to see >100k deaths despite drastic social distancing measures. 

10k people died in 3 weeks in Italy. 

Comparing this to the seasonal flu is asinine and has already resulted in mass death. 
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Originally posted by Chaser Chaser wrote:

Another one to look at in regard to "herd immunity" is Belarus, where the president has ordered everything to carry on as normal, and people just need to drink more vodka to combat the effects of the virus.

Having been sick for a week and a half now with Coronavirus after returning from Spain, I can honestly say that this is no joke and needs to be taken very seriously.

I have had pneumonia like symptoms and breathing difficulties and, whilst I am now on the mend, I can still feel the virus on my chest and it's not very pleasant at all!

Take care.  Glad to know you have recovered.
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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Well, maybe at least one country should have experimented with herd immunity so it would be clear exactly how disastrous that would have been.  
Keep an eye on Sweden.


Thanks for the heads up!  Didn't figure Sweden as one of those countries that would experiment with this, but here we are.  In three weeks time, we will know if this worked, but the number I see on the worldometer is not a good one, given Sweden's low population.  
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Originally posted by Chaser Chaser wrote:

Another one to look at in regard to "herd immunity" is Belarus, where the president has ordered everything to carry on as normal, and people just need to drink more vodka to combat the effects of the virus.

Having been sick for a week and a half now with Coronavirus after returning from Spain, I can honestly say that this is no joke and needs to be taken very seriously.

I have had pneumonia like symptoms and breathing difficulties and, whilst I am now on the mend, I can still feel the virus on my chest and it's not very pleasant at all!
OMG! I'm so glad that you're recovering! As an old timer, I can't imagine what it would be like to endure such symptoms. All the best to you.
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Another one to look at in regard to "herd immunity" is Belarus, where the president has ordered everything to carry on as normal, and people just need to drink more vodka to combat the effects of the virus.

Having been sick for a week and a half now with Coronavirus after returning from Spain, I can honestly say that this is no joke and needs to be taken very seriously.

I have had pneumonia like symptoms and breathing difficulties and, whilst I am now on the mend, I can still feel the virus on my chest and it's not very pleasant at all!
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Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Well, maybe at least one country should have experimented with herd immunity so it would be clear exactly how disastrous that would have been.  
Keep an eye on Sweden.



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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Still way lower than seasonal flu--   approaching 21,000 deaths worldwide for covid;  23,000 deaths from common flu this season just in the US.




Of course this is given all the things done to stop or contain Covid-19, see what goes on in Wuhan, China, Italy, South Korea, all the other countries in which Covid-19 has started by now. How many deaths we'd have without these measures is anyone's guess. Look at the state of Italian and Spanish hospitals dealing just with all those who got infected before the lockdown (even at times when people already started some kind of social distancing).

Honestly, re-iterating that more people have died from common flu is as pointless as anything. 

It's heads I win, tails you lose.  Govts take action to mitigate the risk and then you get, "Oh, it wasn't worth it at all".  Well, maybe at least one country should have experimented with herd immunity so it would be clear exactly how disastrous that would have been.  
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Still way lower than seasonal flu--   approaching 21,000 deaths worldwide for covid;  23,000 deaths from common flu this season just in the US.




Of course this is given all the things done to stop or contain Covid-19, see what goes on in Wuhan, China, Italy, South Korea, all the other countries in which Covid-19 has started by now. How many deaths we'd have without these measures is anyone's guess. Look at the state of Italian and Spanish hospitals dealing just with all those who got infected before the lockdown (even at times when people already started some kind of social distancing).

Honestly, re-iterating that more people have died from common flu is as pointless as anything. 
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Still way lower than seasonal flu--   approaching 21,000 deaths worldwide for covid;  23,000 deaths from common flu this season just in the US.



David, that's 21,000 deaths so far. The flu season is over. The C-19 virus season just started.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

No, I meant it was nice not seeing you.
 
Just kidding. Be well and keep safe.

I understood the sarcasm LOL. However, I'm happy to see people from these parts are still kicking and doing okay. 
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^ Still way lower than seasonal flu--   approaching 21,000 deaths worldwide for covid;  23,000 deaths from common flu this season just in the US.
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Disclaimer...Just posting CDC info..not making any case either way....
So Far in the US....140,904 cases....2,405 deaths....5,220 recovered.
~1.7% death rate
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No, I meant it was nice not seeing you.
 
Just kidding. Be well and keep safe.
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Haha same :) 
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I haven't seen you around in a long time. It's been nice.
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What does that have to do with anything? 
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

It's pretty much the lower quantile for all the models we have. I don't understand why that translates to bad to you. A lot of people are going to die from COVID-19 and from secondary effects. That's the unfortunate reality.
The unfortunate reality is that one month ago Trump said that if 15 people died from the virus, he would be doing a job. If one million people died, he would say the same. That's the reality. No matter what happens, he was perfect.

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