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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2020 at 14:58
Oh, and this means that if there will be as many cases of COVID-19 as of influenza there will be more than 1.7 million dead in the USA alone. Do you still think the flu is far more deadly than COVID-19?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2020 at 14:42
Today on Twitter, in my timeline, I've noticed that the overwhelming frequency of COVID-19 related news and contents somewhat lessened. Glad for that.

I also got bored of sitting at home. I wish, likewise, the virus would be gone soon... I've always liked spending time at home, but this is a bit too much.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2020 at 14:35
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Normal influenza is far more deadly, and no numbers have shown any different.   People are losing their livelihoods because of this.   The fear is worse than the disease.


That's simply not true. To quote from an article comparing the two:

The new coronavirus causing COVID-19 has led to more than 454,000 illnesses and more than 20,550 deaths worldwide. For comparison, in the U.S. alone, the flu (also called influenza) has caused an estimated 38 million illnesses, 390,000 hospitalizations and 23,000 deaths this season, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

This means COVID-19 is lethal in 4.53% of the cases. Influenza is lethal in 0.06% of the cases. This means COVID-19 is 75.5 times as lethal as influenza.

Here a link to the full article:

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2020 at 13:55
Normal influenza is far more deadly, and no numbers have shown any different.   People are losing their livelihoods because of this.   The fear is worse than the disease.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2020 at 13:36
Yes, but if they're not careful staff will come in while infected and it will quickly spread. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2020 at 13:20
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

You know that hospital ship that's just docked in New York, the one that makes it look as if the Swiss are invading the USA? The one that's only supposed to treat non-Corona patients? Any bets on how many days it's going to stay Corona free? Over or under 10?
I don't ever have faith in the government, but I would hope they take proper testing procedures to really minimize the exposure. 

Last I heard that ship will take on non Corona patients to allow hospitals to deal with those infected.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2020 at 13:02
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

I've wasted far too much time today reading this thread, but it has been (in places) fascinating. 

I'm a UK scientist (background genetics and microbiology, now working in models of cancer and therapeutics).

I don't think anyone has the answers to how this should or should have been dealt with, as we're in new territory on so many levels. Whether lockdown is the best way to deal with this virus is still unknown; but did anyone really expect a government in the UK or US (or most countries) to risk putting the population at such jeopardy by just letting the virus take it's course?  I include in this attempting to just isolate those most at risk, a virtual impossibility IMHO.  The health service in the UK will not cope with the current peak we are approaching, but just think of what would happen to it if we had just let this run it's course?  No government could possibly justify letting so many people die in such a short time, plus allowing the rest of the population to get ill (to the varying degrees that would happen) at the same time, which would have meant economic disaster as well.  Flattening the curve has to be the right thing to do.

This is a disastrous situation, let's be clear.  Nothing looks good right now (apart from the weather in the UK, which has miraculously pepped up 1000% since we went into lockdown). But I can't bear to think of the scenes that would be approaching right now, if we had just carried on as normal. 

I fear for Sweden.  And yet maybe they are right.  We just don't know.

I am in total agreement that the economic fallout will be massive; sh*t, it already is!  And we will live with the scars for decades.  And it's no surprise that politicians the world over are quaking at the prospect.  But you can't just let millions of people die, if there is a way of preventing it...

In other news, my frail 83-year old Mum went into hospital last night in Essex.  She has pulmonary fibrosis, quite late stage, so is about as high risk as anyone when it comes to covid-19.  She felt unwell, query chest infection, and her oxygen levels were through the floor, so she had to be taken in.  She has been tested for the virus, and we've been told it will be a week before results, so she's on a ward, having oxygen and antibiotics.  She may have it (in which case I will never see her again), or she may get it in hospital (in which case I will never see her again), or if we're incredibly lucky, she will get better and go home with an oxygen cylinder (which was already well on the cards) and I may get to see her in a few months time...


To all those with the virus, or who know people with the virus, I wish you the very best of luck.  To everyone, I say please keep yourselves as far from everyone else as is possible, except for the people you live with.  These are very challenging times, but we have to do our best, and try to minimise the casualties as far as is humanly possible...
I'm sorry for your Mom's illness. I hope she makes a full recovery.

Similarly, I wish your mother and you all of our best wishes. Further comment not particularly appropriate.
 

Likewise, our thoughts are with you and your Mum.. my father in law has advanced COPD and we fear the same for him.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2020 at 11:58
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

I've wasted far too much time today reading this thread, but it has been (in places) fascinating. 

I'm a UK scientist (background genetics and microbiology, now working in models of cancer and therapeutics).

I don't think anyone has the answers to how this should or should have been dealt with, as we're in new territory on so many levels. Whether lockdown is the best way to deal with this virus is still unknown; but did anyone really expect a government in the UK or US (or most countries) to risk putting the population at such jeopardy by just letting the virus take it's course?  I include in this attempting to just isolate those most at risk, a virtual impossibility IMHO.  The health service in the UK will not cope with the current peak we are approaching, but just think of what would happen to it if we had just let this run it's course?  No government could possibly justify letting so many people die in such a short time, plus allowing the rest of the population to get ill (to the varying degrees that would happen) at the same time, which would have meant economic disaster as well.  Flattening the curve has to be the right thing to do.

This is a disastrous situation, let's be clear.  Nothing looks good right now (apart from the weather in the UK, which has miraculously pepped up 1000% since we went into lockdown). But I can't bear to think of the scenes that would be approaching right now, if we had just carried on as normal. 

I fear for Sweden.  And yet maybe they are right.  We just don't know.

I am in total agreement that the economic fallout will be massive; sh*t, it already is!  And we will live with the scars for decades.  And it's no surprise that politicians the world over are quaking at the prospect.  But you can't just let millions of people die, if there is a way of preventing it...

In other news, my frail 83-year old Mum went into hospital last night in Essex.  She has pulmonary fibrosis, quite late stage, so is about as high risk as anyone when it comes to covid-19.  She felt unwell, query chest infection, and her oxygen levels were through the floor, so she had to be taken in.  She has been tested for the virus, and we've been told it will be a week before results, so she's on a ward, having oxygen and antibiotics.  She may have it (in which case I will never see her again), or she may get it in hospital (in which case I will never see her again), or if we're incredibly lucky, she will get better and go home with an oxygen cylinder (which was already well on the cards) and I may get to see her in a few months time...


To all those with the virus, or who know people with the virus, I wish you the very best of luck.  To everyone, I say please keep yourselves as far from everyone else as is possible, except for the people you live with.  These are very challenging times, but we have to do our best, and try to minimise the casualties as far as is humanly possible...
I'm sorry for your Mom's illness. I hope she makes a full recovery.

Similarly, I wish your mother and you all of our best wishes. Further comment not particularly appropriate.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2020 at 09:58
Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

I've wasted far too much time today reading this thread, but it has been (in places) fascinating. 

I'm a UK scientist (background genetics and microbiology, now working in models of cancer and therapeutics).

I don't think anyone has the answers to how this should or should have been dealt with, as we're in new territory on so many levels. Whether lockdown is the best way to deal with this virus is still unknown; but did anyone really expect a government in the UK or US (or most countries) to risk putting the population at such jeopardy by just letting the virus take it's course?  I include in this attempting to just isolate those most at risk, a virtual impossibility IMHO.  The health service in the UK will not cope with the current peak we are approaching, but just think of what would happen to it if we had just let this run it's course?  No government could possibly justify letting so many people die in such a short time, plus allowing the rest of the population to get ill (to the varying degrees that would happen) at the same time, which would have meant economic disaster as well.  Flattening the curve has to be the right thing to do.

This is a disastrous situation, let's be clear.  Nothing looks good right now (apart from the weather in the UK, which has miraculously pepped up 1000% since we went into lockdown). But I can't bear to think of the scenes that would be approaching right now, if we had just carried on as normal. 

I fear for Sweden.  And yet maybe they are right.  We just don't know.

I am in total agreement that the economic fallout will be massive; sh*t, it already is!  And we will live with the scars for decades.  And it's no surprise that politicians the world over are quaking at the prospect.  But you can't just let millions of people die, if there is a way of preventing it...

In other news, my frail 83-year old Mum went into hospital last night in Essex.  She has pulmonary fibrosis, quite late stage, so is about as high risk as anyone when it comes to covid-19.  She felt unwell, query chest infection, and her oxygen levels were through the floor, so she had to be taken in.  She has been tested for the virus, and we've been told it will be a week before results, so she's on a ward, having oxygen and antibiotics.  She may have it (in which case I will never see her again), or she may get it in hospital (in which case I will never see her again), or if we're incredibly lucky, she will get better and go home with an oxygen cylinder (which was already well on the cards) and I may get to see her in a few months time...


To all those with the virus, or who know people with the virus, I wish you the very best of luck.  To everyone, I say please keep yourselves as far from everyone else as is possible, except for the people you live with.  These are very challenging times, but we have to do our best, and try to minimise the casualties as far as is humanly possible...
I'm sorry for your Mom's illness. I hope she makes a full recovery.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2020 at 09:43
I've wasted far too much time today reading this thread, but it has been (in places) fascinating. 

I'm a UK scientist (background genetics and microbiology, now working in models of cancer and therapeutics).

I don't think anyone has the answers to how this should or should have been dealt with, as we're in new territory on so many levels. Whether lockdown is the best way to deal with this virus is still unknown; but did anyone really expect a government in the UK or US (or most countries) to risk putting the population at such jeopardy by just letting the virus take it's course?  I include in this attempting to just isolate those most at risk, a virtual impossibility IMHO.  The health service in the UK will not cope with the current peak we are approaching, but just think of what would happen to it if we had just let this run it's course?  No government could possibly justify letting so many people die in such a short time, plus allowing the rest of the population to get ill (to the varying degrees that would happen) at the same time, which would have meant economic disaster as well.  Flattening the curve has to be the right thing to do.

This is a disastrous situation, let's be clear.  Nothing looks good right now (apart from the weather in the UK, which has miraculously pepped up 1000% since we went into lockdown). But I can't bear to think of the scenes that would be approaching right now, if we had just carried on as normal. 

I fear for Sweden.  And yet maybe they are right.  We just don't know.

I am in total agreement that the economic fallout will be massive; sh*t, it already is!  And we will live with the scars for decades.  And it's no surprise that politicians the world over are quaking at the prospect.  But you can't just let millions of people die, if there is a way of preventing it...

In other news, my frail 83-year old Mum went into hospital last night in Essex.  She has pulmonary fibrosis, quite late stage, so is about as high risk as anyone when it comes to covid-19.  She felt unwell, query chest infection, and her oxygen levels were through the floor, so she had to be taken in.  She has been tested for the virus, and we've been told it will be a week before results, so she's on a ward, having oxygen and antibiotics.  She may have it (in which case I will never see her again), or she may get it in hospital (in which case I will never see her again), or if we're incredibly lucky, she will get better and go home with an oxygen cylinder (which was already well on the cards) and I may get to see her in a few months time...


To all those with the virus, or who know people with the virus, I wish you the very best of luck.  To everyone, I say please keep yourselves as far from everyone else as is possible, except for the people you live with.  These are very challenging times, but we have to do our best, and try to minimise the casualties as far as is humanly possible...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2020 at 08:10
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Is a normal flu death less tragic?  


When compared to a plague like the black death when millions died? Yes it is less tragic. But is the C-19 virus going to be a modern equivalent?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2020 at 08:08
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I don't think people realize that this isn't going to just go away. There will be a second wave of reinfection after the first peak recedes. This might be something we deal with every year depending upon the efficacy of our vaccines. 
Having an illness return every year is one thing but a year's duration of this virus is a completely different matter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2020 at 07:19
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

You know that hospital ship that's just docked in New York, the one that makes it look as if the Swiss are invading the USA? The one that's only supposed to treat non-Corona patients? Any bets on how many days it's going to stay Corona free? Over or under 10?

I don't ever have faith in the government, but I would hope they take proper testing procedures to really minimize the exposure. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2020 at 07:17
I don't think people realize that this isn't going to just go away. There will be a second wave of reinfection after the first peak recedes. This might be something we deal with every year depending upon the efficacy of our vaccines. 
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I saw a projection on Fox News (!) that this virus will run through to at least August and probably beyond in some form, be it more or less average cases. Egads! Confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2020 at 00:33
You know that hospital ship that's just docked in New York, the one that makes it look as if the Swiss are invading the USA? The one that's only supposed to treat non-Corona patients? Any bets on how many days it's going to stay Corona free? Over or under 10?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2020 at 21:46
Social distancing definitely does help. There is no doubt about that. The 6 foot rule is for situations in which you must be around others such as with grocery shopping or visiting a hardware store. It is not to say that you are safe if you are more than 6 feet away. Everyone should be wearing gloves and masks out in public. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2020 at 21:09
I suppose we all are potentially f**ked and social distancing sounds nice.. but is probably worthless. Maybe the Swedes do have it right.. screwed in any case short of rolling in the tanks and jackbooted fascist thugs from the DHS and going Chinese on everyone..

anyone catch that MIT study.. that 6 foot rule.. dates from the 30's. 
As in 1930's..  1930's science.  Tests now show safe zones for Covid should be 27 feet.  Not much press on that .. for obvious reasons I suppose.


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True.
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