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npjnpj 
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Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
 Posted: April 08 2020 at 13:00 |
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I don't believe that, at least since about the middle of February, it's been a case of politicians or (real) medical experts and researchers getting it right or wrong, because history and the underlying science has been both clear and public for years if not decades now. Experts who now 'got it wrong' must have done so intentionally for reasons unknown but surely suspected. And that includes the WHO. Trump does seem to have a point here The results of the individual governments have been based on a clear binary choice: either human life or economy. It's a shame that the perpetrators of what I personally see as mass manslaughter will never have to face any real personal consequences.
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rogerthat
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Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: April 08 2020 at 07:34 |
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Brings up another point though, which is covered in this article.
I quote, "On January 27, Lothar Wieler, president of the Robert Koch Institute, Germany’s center for disease control, told the broadcaster ZDF in an interview that he saw “low danger” from the coronavirus. “We expect that single cases in different countries can occur,” Wieler said. “The chance for those single cases to then spread is at this point limited.” So...if the overconfidence of someone who really doesn't know well enough, like Trump, is bad enough, what do we make of the overconfidence of experts? This isn't the first time either. In entirely different fields, I remember the experts going wrong at important times, be it Scooter Libby or Hank Paulson or James Comey. We come back then to Sweden. With cases mounting rapidly now, covid is very likely to overwhelm their healthcare system, as it has in the worst hit countries like Italy or Spain and as it well may in the US. Why would Sweden take such a big risk and not learn from the experience of countries that got it right as well as those that got it wrong, is the question. I can understand the idea behind thinking a full lockdown is not necessary but there is surely no substitute to social distancing. Keeping pubs and discotheques open makes that difficult to achieve, especially in societies that are used to a great deal of freedom.
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SteveG
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Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20616 |
Posted: April 08 2020 at 04:49 |
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So true!
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This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State.
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rogerthat
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Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: April 08 2020 at 04:44 |
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Well, if you were a stable genius like a certain someone someone something, you probably wouldn't.
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SteveG
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Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20616 |
Posted: April 08 2020 at 03:57 |
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Easy Money
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10671 |
Posted: April 07 2020 at 21:48 |
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Help the victims of the russian invasion:
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=28523&PID=130446&title=various-ways-you-can-help-ukraine#130446 |
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rogerthat
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Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: April 07 2020 at 21:18 |
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Sweden's response has indeed been the most puzzling one for me. Didn't take them for the sort who would experiment with Darwinism. The data is most definitely not encouraging though, again, those who look at figures up to a point of time rather than gauging the trend will pat themselves on their back for some more time. Sweden's cases per million rate is low compared to US or the worst hit European countries of Spain, France and Italy but it's also much higher than Canada and Australia and only a whit short of UK. Considering the pandemic is in a more advanced stage in the UK than Sweden, it's going to get much worse for Sweden from here before it gets better. Singapore had earlier experimented with keeping things running with extensive testing and employing Korea-like contact tracing. But, like Sweden, they allowed normal activities in the pre-covid sense to carry on, including keeping discotheques open. They were forced to impose a lockdown earlier this week due to an alarming spike in number of cases. This is likely where Sweden will have to head to. The worry is they may have left it for too late, the way Italy and Spain did.
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: April 07 2020 at 14:24 |
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Sweden's experiment not going great.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Tom Ozric
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Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15926 |
Posted: April 07 2020 at 08:31 |
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The Dark Elf
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VIP Member Joined: February 01 2011 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 13110 |
Posted: April 07 2020 at 07:43 |
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Come to my church and pass the plate, I own the toll booth to Heaven's gate.
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
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Grumpyprogfan
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Joined: July 09 2019 Location: Kansas City Status: Offline Points: 12061 |
Posted: April 07 2020 at 07:15 |
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https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2020/04/05/louisiana-pastor-opens-church-to-27-busloads-of-people-to-fight-the-antichrist/
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Tom Ozric
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Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15926 |
Posted: April 07 2020 at 05:44 |
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There aren’t a helluva lot of cases here in Australia, compared to U.S. and Europe, BUT, we haven’t hit ‘flu season’ yet. Will be interesting how this sh*t progresses here during the coming months. I fear the worst.
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Blacksword
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Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: April 07 2020 at 02:15 |
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Indeed, I do wish him a full recovery. It's a terrible time for him and his family. The whole thing is surreal, and the PM's condition goes to show how this virus can be a long drawn out affair for sufferers which can worsen over time, and take a bad turn. It's not necessarily just five days of a sore throat and temperature, then getting back on the horse. The close media coverage of his condition will hopefully underline the reality of this condition, as it can be for many patients. |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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rogerthat
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Joined: September 03 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 9869 |
Posted: April 07 2020 at 00:02 |
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Too many people are making the mistake of looking at the data as it stands today, which is not very helpful when it comes to covid as you have to look at the likely trends in the coming days and weeks instead. This well educated, 'libertarian' dude on Quora has been committing this fallacy again and again. Not gonna dox but will quote some of his gems: "As of today:
How bruised is the European ego that it can ignore their countrymen dying at a rate 1500% higher than the United States… yet still time find to be profess the superiority of their healthcare over the United States." This was on Mar 28 and since then, US deaths have caught up rapidly with Spain. While Europe still accounts for more deaths, the gap is no longer as large as it was then and is likely to be closed further and further as US is on an accelerating trend as of now. And on the question of "how does it make you feel that US is no.1 in new coronavirus cases", he says: "Fairly good. Compared to the alternative. See how Iran and India have little activity? Do we think the laws of physics and chemistry are strangely different in those places? It's not really a question of new cases. It's a question of knowledge about new cases. And then, when you break it down to the new case rate, we're fairly middle of the pack. Look at the deaths in Europe? We have less than 10% what they do." Again, this outlook rapidly grows outdated as the number of cases climb. A lot of people still seem to believe in a matter of weeks we would have seen the last of this. Doesn't look to me as if it's going to be anywhere that easy and I fear a protracted battle that will further cripple the world economy. The alternative is allowing a Spanish flu like blood bath. Which with today's population could lead to millions of deaths. IF every person were infected with covid, you could either go with the 1% death rate reflected in Germany with high testing. Assuming that the number of asymptomatic cases is still higher and we go for the best case scenario of a 0.1%. At 0.1%, the number of worldwide deaths would be 7.8 million. At 1%, it would be 78 million. What was that thing about influenza again? WHO estimates deaths from influenza between 290000 to 650000 annually. But I guess the WHO is bought over by China/Bill Gates/deep state/Brandenburg, as applicable.
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DamoXt7942
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Joined: October 15 2008 Location: Okayama, Japan Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: April 06 2020 at 20:30 |
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siLLy puPPy
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PSIKE, JRF/Canterbury, P Metal, Eclectic Joined: October 05 2013 Location: SFcaUsA Status: Offline Points: 15309 |
Posted: April 06 2020 at 19:50 |
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All i can say is...... |
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Catcher10
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VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 17909 |
Posted: April 06 2020 at 19:41 |
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I agree, I hope he pulls out of this....is his wife pregnant I heard?? Going to ICU is not good, man that would be terrible
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Logan
Forum & Site Admin Group
Site Admin Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Status: Offline Points: 36500 |
Posted: April 06 2020 at 18:06 |
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I was deeply sad to hear this, and I most definitely wish him and his family well. I'd be sad if it was most anyone, but I've had a soft spot for Boris Johnson for years. |
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progaardvark
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Crossover/Symphonic/RPI Teams Joined: June 14 2007 Location: Sea of Peas Status: Offline Points: 51801 |
Posted: April 06 2020 at 16:19 |
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It looks like there might be a possible sign of curve flattening for New York. Hopefully it's not a blip. Meanwhile, another drug, Ivermectin, seems to have had some success at killing Covid-19 in lab tests...
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npjnpj
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Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
Posted: April 06 2020 at 16:03 |
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The guy goes around boasting how he shakes everyone's hand in the hospital including possible Corona virus victims. The man's a cretin on the same level as beach revelers during lockdown.
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