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The Quiet One 
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 Posted: October 22 2010 at 23:24 |
 SaltyJon wrote:
The Quiet One wrote:
SaltyJon wrote:
As far as the jazz rock side goes, I think The Grand Wazoo or Waka/Jawaka are better examples of the style than Hot Rats. Hot Rats is a great album, though. |
Waka/Jawaka is a failure for me with the exception of the title track, while The Grand Wazoo was the good result. Hot Rats though different musically to those two other jazz rock albums, it still is jazz rock in my opinion, and of high caliber, especially considering it was 1969.
Also, I would recommend Sleep Dirt way before Waka/Jawaka as a great jazz rock record. |
Hot Rats mostly seems more bluesy than jazzy to me.
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Interesting, I've never felt a bluesy feel to Hot Rats with the exception maybe of 'The Gumbo Variations' and 'Willie the Pimp'. 'It Must be a Camel', 'Little Umbrellas' and 'Son of Mr. Green Genes' for me are highly jazz inclined.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 23:22 |
Mushroom Sword wrote:
Before I've already listened to Bobby Brown and I am the Slime. The latter is pretty amazing, Bobby Brown is... different... And O.k. WiIll do to everyone who posted above.
...except saltyjon (
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Those two are some of his poppiest songs, which doesn't mean they're bad, but hardly shows what Frank was able to deliver.
If you're going to listen through youtube or somewhere else, make sure to check these compositions:
Peaches en Regalia
Eat that Question
Fifty/Fifty
Echidna's Arf (of you)
Inca Roads
Little House I Used to Live In
Black Napkins
Zoot Allures
Edited by The Quiet One - October 22 2010 at 23:25
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SaltyJon
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 23:20 |
The Quiet One wrote:
SaltyJon wrote:
As far as the jazz rock side goes, I think The Grand Wazoo or Waka/Jawaka are better examples of the style than Hot Rats. Hot Rats is a great album, though. |
Waka/Jawaka is a failure for me with the exception of the title track, while The Grand Wazoo was the good result. Hot Rats though different musically to those two other jazz rock albums, it still is jazz rock in my opinion, and of high caliber, especially considering it was 1969.
Also, I would recommend Sleep Dirt way before Waka/Jawaka as a great jazz rock record. |
Hot Rats mostly seems more bluesy than jazzy to me.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 23:19 |
SaltyJon wrote:
As far as the jazz rock side goes, I think The Grand Wazoo or Waka/Jawaka are better examples of the style than Hot Rats. Hot Rats is a great album, though. |
Waka/Jawaka is a failure for me with the exception of the title track, while The Grand Wazoo was the good result. Hot Rats though different musically to those two other jazz rock albums, it still is jazz rock in my opinion, and of high caliber, especially considering it was 1969.
Also, I would recommend Sleep Dirt way before Waka/Jawaka as a great jazz rock record.
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Mushroom Sword
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 23:19 |
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Before I've already listened to Bobby Brown and I am the Slime. The latter is pretty amazing, Bobby Brown is... different... And O.k. WiIll do to everyone who posted above.
...except saltyjon (
s first post).
Edited by Mushroom Sword - October 22 2010 at 23:19
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SaltyJon
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 23:15 |
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As far as the jazz rock side goes, I think The Grand Wazoo or Waka/Jawaka are better examples of the style than Hot Rats. Hot Rats is a great album, though.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 23:13 |
Albums for the beginner, depending your tastes:
Hot Rats or The Grand Wazoo (if you're a fan of jazz rock, these are amazing but you don't need to love the genre to appreciate this album, recommended for the starter)
Roxy & Elsewhere (for me, the best entry to Zappa's real world, you got it all here in the best shape possible)
One Size Fits All or Apostrophe or Over-Nite Sensation (intermediate Zappa, accessible and still highly accomplished compositions, plenty of humor but it doesn't affect the songs as they would do in the early 80s, also great place to start for the Prog fan)
Joe's Garage (if you can manage lots of humor and a rather mixture of different rock styles, this is one great fun piece, not Zappa's finest, but indeed a great and original one)
Burnt Weeny Sandwich (if you're into 60s proto-prog, you must check this out, unbelieavable late 60s material from Zappa and the Mothers)
You should know that I'm a big Zappa fan, love him as a composer and guitarist, pure genius in my opinion, creating highly complex stuff that is listenable and yet he adds a humor I'm fond of.
Edited by The Quiet One - October 22 2010 at 23:15
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Ronnie Pilgrim
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 23:13 |
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One Size Fits All. It really does. From there you can go anywhere. I dunno. Zoot Allures maybe?
Edited by Ronnie Pilgrim - October 22 2010 at 23:14
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"The pointy birds are pointy pointy
Anoint my head anointy nointy"
Steve Martin The Man With Two Brains
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SaltyJon
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 23:13 |
Who is Frank Zappa? This guy: 
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Textbook
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 23:12 |
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Joe's Garage is the place to start in my opinion.
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Finnforest
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 23:09 |
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Zappa is a major commitment if you want to know the complete artist. Be ready with time and lots of cash.
If you want to take you time and do it right, start at the beginning and just move one album at a time without rushing yourself. Freak Out is great, and moving chronologically allows you to see the growth and change of the work. Just my opinion.
If you only want to check out his one or two best albums, best listen to other's replies. I'm not a Zappa expert....
......YET!
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Mushroom Sword
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Posted: October 22 2010 at 23:03 |
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I am a long time prog lover. Classic Prog, other then that mainly dream theater. And the furthest I stray from progressive rock is Zeppelin and Hendrix, which both have very progressive aspects.
Now... I've read about Frank Zappa, and loved the idea of the music he makes. Now, I want to listen to what he does. The best of what he does. I read his Bio on the main site. I read all about him on Wikipedia. But through all of this you don't learn his music. And I don't really have the interest of listening to every single song from every album. So what's his best work? What has he done, what can you recommend? What's your favorite things about this man? Stories? Affairs? Mailmen? Who is this awesome person?
Edited by TheProgtologist - October 25 2010 at 10:51
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