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King of Loss 
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 Posted: June 01 2014 at 12:37 |
 Maximos wrote:
I don't really think the situation calls for a fistfight, I think you'd have been better off educating him, give him a little history lesson. The idea that American's have no culture, not sure where it comes from, it's easy to fling about, but it's a misguided view that isn't based in any real fact.
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King of Loss
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Posted: June 01 2014 at 12:36 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
Aren't most cultures the result of "melting pots" though? Take Malta for instance. I've been there many times, and I think they would say they belong to a their own culture, yet it's a meeting between Arabia, Italy and Britain. Even if you look to ancient Eastern cultures you'll see mosaically woven histories that too stem from the meeting of different peoples. The Us is just a youngin. |
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: June 01 2014 at 08:58 |
King of Loss wrote:
I think the US has a frontier culture, which is prone to be accused of lacking intellectual culture, which is true, but America has a vibrant commercial and corporate culture, which is something of a different animal. It does have absolutely no intellectual tradition of its own..., but nevertheless to each its own!
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What exactly do you mean by "intellectual tradition" and that the U.S. has none? I am wondering what specifically you are referring to and how narrow your definition might be. The U.S. certainly has its own literary tradition, utterly divorced from European tradition (with great authors that Atavachron pointed out, and more that I would suggest); it has a music tradition that is perhaps stronger than many European nations (Americans, after all, invented jazz, blues, country-western and rock & roll); as far as science, I don't believe any single country could compare to the U.S. in the past 150 years in regards to scientific advancement; in philosophy, the profound political thought of the framers of the U.S. Constitution actually influenced the French Revolution (and because they were French, they naturally botched it  ), and then there was Thoureau and Emerson, Santayana, David Kellogg-Lewis, and many more.
So, again, what exactly are you referring to, because I don't believe you know what you're talking about. It would seem you have a distorted view of what makes America, driven by a clutch of prejudices, jaded beliefs and opinions -- an outsider's view who only watches TV.
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Maximos
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Posted: June 01 2014 at 07:04 |
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I don't really think the situation calls for a fistfight, I think you'd have been better off educating him, give him a little history lesson. The idea that American's have no culture, not sure where it comes from, it's easy to fling about, but it's a misguided view that isn't based in any real fact.
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 01 2014 at 03:52 |
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^^^ Good comment. India is a melting pot of ancient and medieval Hindu, Mughal/Persian and colonial influences. And Indian culture is pretty old. It's just more noticeable, perhaps, in USA because people from such varied ethnic origins live in the same land. Also, it will take the next few generations for true integration of some of these ethnic cultures to happen. My cousin sis in IL married another Indian but her sister-in-laws are in relationships with Caucasian guys.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: June 01 2014 at 03:46 |
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Aren't most cultures the result of "melting pots" though? Take Malta for instance. I've been there many times, and I think they would say they belong to a their own culture, yet it's a meeting between Arabia, Italy and Britain. Even if you look to ancient Eastern cultures you'll see mosaically woven histories that too stem from the meeting of different peoples. The Us is just a youngin.
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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King of Loss
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Posted: June 01 2014 at 02:38 |
Atavachron wrote:
^ That statement itself has absolutely no intellectual tradition of its own. You'd have to be either braindead or deeply bitter not to acknowledge the very strong tradition of American literature, music, playwriting, and the inimitable impact those things have had on the world. Oh and some of the best universities in history. But the US has no intellectual tradition so I guess you're not able to grasp what I'm saying. Must be that bad American education you got.
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presdoug
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Posted: May 31 2014 at 20:59 |
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Though fraudsters live and operate all over the world, they are never more cleverly exposed than in the police drama "Racket Squad" from 1950s American television. One of the most intelligent American shows ever.I have learned many a lesson from "Racket Squad".
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Atavachron
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Posted: May 31 2014 at 20:08 |
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^ That statement itself has absolutely no intellectual tradition of its own. You'd have to be either braindead or deeply bitter not to acknowledge the very strong tradition of American literature, music, playwriting, and the inimitable impact those things have had on the world. Oh and some of the best universities in history. But the US has no intellectual tradition so I guess you're not able to grasp what I'm saying. Must be that bad American education you got.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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King of Loss
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Posted: May 31 2014 at 11:24 |
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timothy leary
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Posted: May 31 2014 at 10:50 |
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Just got back from Fields Oregon, population 86, one of the most remote spots in America. The Fields cafe is the only business in town. Everyone who works there is packing a gun on their hip. From the guy who pumps the gas to the lady making the great milkshakes. This is the culture of the wide open spaces.
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KingCrInuYasha
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Posted: May 30 2014 at 12:00 |
Of course America has culture. This is the same country that brought us Rock 'n' Roll, Batman, Star Trek, and a  ton of great movies. EDIT: , forgot the books. Thanks Avatachron.
Edited by KingCrInuYasha - May 30 2014 at 12:02
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He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball!
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: May 27 2014 at 02:12 |
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Probably after 10 pages of discussion, it's a totally irrational generalisation (not to mention fallacy) that Americans have no culture). It's only certain folks, or groups of folks, that have a narrow-minded view on life in general, that suffer. Their loss ; the people of the World have so much to offer, and it's up to us to embrace it and improve our knowledge and well-being. Where ever we come from.
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Dean
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Posted: May 27 2014 at 01:46 |
The Idiot Gove says he never banned American authors...
...as anyone who has watched Yes, Minister or Yes, Prime Minister is aware, anything said in the corridors of Whitehall can easily be denied and/or retracted
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What?
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Atavachron
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Posted: May 26 2014 at 20:14 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Stupid. And the US is stupid enough to counterban.
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I doubt it very much. Maybe some silly boycott that lasts two days, but not a ban.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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The T
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Posted: May 26 2014 at 18:14 |
Sorry, I forgot, you double-language people 
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Luna
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Posted: May 26 2014 at 17:38 |
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No Canada? :(
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The T
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Posted: May 26 2014 at 16:43 |
Then they'll both ban their own just to diplomatically correct things. Then all they'll have to read is Australian and New Zealander authors.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: May 26 2014 at 15:27 |
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Stupid. And the US is stupid enough to counterban.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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tszirmay
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Posted: May 25 2014 at 21:58 |
Atavachron wrote:
It's not just idiotic, it's a true shame-- he's saying he doesn't want British students to read Melville, Hemingway, Faulkner, Twain. I mean really?
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Mr Minister: A culture of idiocy ! There we go.....  The more I analyze the human race, the more I love my dog! Again! 
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