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Ruglish ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: June 09 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 14 |
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Queen are an interesting paradox -- all of their '70s (and some of the '80s + "Innuendo") albums contain geniune prog, but only about two or three songs out of 10. Queen II is probably the most proggy, with "The March of the Black Queen," "Fairy Feller's Master Stroke" and "Ogre Battle" as highlights. But it also has whatever that Roger Taylor tune is in the middle. "Sheer Heart Attack" has "Brighton Rock" on it. "A Night at the Opera" -- "Bohemian Rhapsody" and "The Prophet's Song" and definitely prog; "Good Company," "I'm in Love With my Car," etc. most certainly are not. And it pretty much goes on like this: "Day at the Races" has proggy "Millionnaire's Waltz" but a bunch of other stuff that's not prog. "Jazz" has "Bicycle Race" and "Mustafa." Even the really awful and mostly not progressive "A Kind of Magic" has a respectable prog song in "Princes of the Universe." "Innuendo" -- their proggiest since "Queen II" has the title track, "Bijou," "The Hitman" and "All God's People." The lion's share of Queen's prog was written by Mercury; the remainder by May. If you put all of the songs I mentioned together, you get a really nice, long, intricate prog album. But Queen was always about variety of sounds. For me personally, the consistent presence of prog in Queen's body of work makes up for the occasional "I'm in Love with My Car" or "Pain is So Close to Pleasure." And if we're admitting Radiohead, for Christ's sakes, why not Queen? At least 20 percent of Queen's songs are genuine prog. Radiohead has, what, "Paranoid Android" and -- well, that's about it, isn't it?
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Certif1ed ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
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It's not overzealous - I explain my ratings precisely and with factual detail that could be disagreed with. But no. The disagreements are "just my reaction", "never ever thought of them as prog as such", "thats just the way I feel". So what if you didn't think they were prog at the time? Now is not then, and prog is viewed very differently these days. Times change. "theatrical rock"??? You just made that up. Weren't Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd and ELP all theatrical? Let me think... Give me a hard one |
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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That wasn't my argument, that was just my reaction. I've been into Queen all my life and never ever thought of them as prog as such. I'm not going to define why their not, thats just the way I feel. The 70's were a great time, with music exploring in all sorts of ways and Queen certainly weren't part of the Prog scene then! Not to my recollection anyway. Furthermore you're overzealous overating of these albums just seems to me like you have something to prove! |
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Certif1ed ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
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I will, until someone comes up with a good reason to the contrary. Which they haven't. The only reason so far is "I don't think Queen are prog so they can't be". How long did it take to come up with that one then? You're one of the worst culprits. What was your argument again. Oh yes. "No they're not". You shot me down, man... |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 21596 |
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Entirely not my cup of tea - this is what I would describe as "mindless shredding". His technique is flawless, but I can find nothing interesting in his songs. Listen to Vai's Flex-Able, or "Lucky Charms" - a difference like day and night. http://www.angelo.com/No_Boundaries.mp3
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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Who is this Michael Angelo person, Mike? |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 21596 |
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nimrodel ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 07 2005 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 1217 |
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lets add michael angelo batio too! |
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We want... a shrubbery!
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Snow Dog ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
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Yeah whatever Cert! keep on bangin' that drum! |
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Certif1ed ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
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Vai is certainly progressive, but that does not equal prog rock. I'll go back and relisten, but I don't think he's done anything that could be considered prog. Unlike Queen. |
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Wolf Spider ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 04 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 1617 |
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WHAT?? Why?
Please God give me strenght. ![]() |
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frenchie ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 30 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2234 |
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steve vai's name in the progarhcives section of the main site has been changed to "under evluation" (im not kidding about that typo). this is a first!
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Wolf Spider ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 04 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 1617 |
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Start
with his anthology "The infintive" and you should get the picture. Or
you can try "passion & warfare", "sex & religion", "flex-able"
or "reflections". Have fun.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Online Points: 21596 |
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If you liked that, check out Flex-Able and Flex-Able Leftovers. Great music, great comedy. |
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frenchie ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 30 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2234 |
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steve vai makes children cry
(rule #374 page 24 of Lidney... if it rhymes it must be true.) |
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King of Loss ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16889 |
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Vai is awesome, but not Prog. |
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Tony R ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: July 16 2004 Location: UK Status: Offline Points: 11979 |
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That's better! Now point me to an album of his that is 100% prog and I'll support you. BTW: Happy Birthday for tomorrow.
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Shack Man ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 21 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 105 |
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!! I agree ![]() |
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Wolf Spider ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 04 2005 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 1617 |
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Dear arcer,
I disagree with your post because I think that Steve Vai is indeed a prog artist, not because he played with Zappa and Petrucci, but working with Zappa left a mark on his character and playing style. Zappa teached him the courage to express his every thought and idea through music. His albums contain very well composed and arranged rock songs with strong metal/jazz/fusion /experimental/even pop infuences. And that is why I`m so damn happy he has been finally added to bands list. Yours trully |
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JCProg ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 03 2004 Location: Finland Status: Offline Points: 115 |
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The holy trinity of progressive rock. So, he fits right in. ![]() |
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