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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 17:30

Queen are an interesting paradox -- all of their '70s (and some of the '80s + "Innuendo") albums contain geniune prog, but only about two or three songs out of 10. 

Queen II is probably the most proggy, with "The March of the Black Queen," "Fairy Feller's Master Stroke" and "Ogre Battle" as highlights.  But it also has whatever that Roger Taylor tune is in the middle.

"Sheer Heart Attack" has "Brighton Rock" on it.

"A Night at the Opera" -- "Bohemian Rhapsody" and "The Prophet's Song" and definitely prog; "Good Company," "I'm in Love With my Car," etc. most certainly are not.

And it pretty much goes on like this:

"Day at the Races" has proggy "Millionnaire's Waltz" but a bunch of other stuff that's not prog.  "Jazz" has "Bicycle Race" and "Mustafa."  Even the really awful and mostly not progressive "A Kind of Magic" has a respectable prog song in "Princes of the Universe."  "Innuendo" -- their proggiest since "Queen II" has the title track, "Bijou," "The Hitman" and "All God's People."

The lion's share of Queen's prog was written by Mercury; the remainder by May.

If you put all of the songs I mentioned together, you get a really nice, long, intricate prog album.  But Queen was always about variety of sounds. 

For me personally, the consistent presence of prog in Queen's body of work makes up for the occasional "I'm in Love with My Car" or "Pain is So Close to Pleasure."  And if we're admitting Radiohead, for Christ's sakes, why not Queen?  At least 20 percent of Queen's songs are genuine prog.  Radiohead has, what, "Paranoid Android" and -- well, that's about it, isn't it?

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 17:25

It's not overzealous - I explain my ratings precisely and with factual detail that could be disagreed with.

But no.

The disagreements are "just my reaction", "never ever thought of them as prog as such", "thats just the way I feel".

So what if you didn't think they were prog at the time? Now is not then, and prog is viewed very differently these days. Times change.

"theatrical rock"??? You just made that up.

Weren't Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd and ELP all theatrical?

Let me think...

Give me a hard one

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 17:14
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Unlike Queen.

Yeah whatever Cert! keep on bangin' that drum!

I will, until someone comes up with a good reason to the contrary.

Which they haven't.

The only reason so far is "I don't think Queen are prog so they can't be". How long did it take to come up with that one then?

You're one of the worst culprits. What was your argument again.

Oh yes.

"No they're not".

You shot me down, man...

That wasn't my argument, that was just my reaction. I've been into Queen all my life and never ever thought of them as prog as such. I'm not going to define why their not, thats just the way I feel. The 70's were a great time, with music exploring in all sorts of ways and Queen certainly weren't part of the Prog scene then! Not to my recollection anyway.
    They were  more "theatrical rock", and OK Queen II is possibly a bit Proggy, but ANATO, I can't see it myself!

  Furthermore you're overzealous overating of these albums just seems to me like you have something to prove!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 17:04
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Unlike Queen.

Yeah whatever Cert! keep on bangin' that drum!

I will, until someone comes up with a good reason to the contrary.

Which they haven't.

The only reason so far is "I don't think Queen are prog so they can't be". How long did it take to come up with that one then?

You're one of the worst culprits. What was your argument again.

Oh yes.

"No they're not".

You shot me down, man...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 17:03
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by nimrodel nimrodel wrote:

lets add michael angelo batio too!

 Would you please only about music that you really know? You'll compare Vai to Malmsteen next ...

Who is this Michael Angelo person, Mike?

Entirely not my cup of tea - this is what I would describe as "mindless shredding". His technique is flawless, but I can find nothing interesting in his songs. Listen to Vai's Flex-Able, or "Lucky Charms" - a difference like day and night.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 16:53
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by nimrodel nimrodel wrote:

lets add michael angelo batio too!

 Would you please only about music that you really know? You'll compare Vai to Malmsteen next ...

Who is this Michael Angelo person, Mike?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 16:51
Originally posted by nimrodel nimrodel wrote:

lets add michael angelo batio too!

 Would you please only about music that you really know? You'll compare Vai to Malmsteen next ...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 16:41

lets add michael angelo batio too!

We want... a shrubbery!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 16:41
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Unlike Queen.

Yeah whatever Cert! keep on bangin' that drum!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 16:19

Vai is certainly progressive, but that does not equal prog rock. I'll go back and relisten, but I don't think he's done anything that could be considered prog.

Unlike Queen.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:54
WHAT?? Why?

Please God give me strenght.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:49
steve vai's name in the progarhcives section of the main site has been changed to "under evluation" (im not kidding about that typo). this is a first!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:42
Start with his anthology "The infintive" and you should get the picture. Or you can try "passion & warfare", "sex & religion", "flex-able" or "reflections". Have fun.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:41

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

I'm more upset that Coheed and Cambria were added, then removed, than I am about Steve's addition...  then again, the only Vai I ever heard was Vai's work with Zappa.  

If you liked that, check out Flex-Able and Flex-Able Leftovers. Great music, great comedy.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:40
steve vai makes children cry


(rule #374 page 24 of Lidney... if it rhymes it must be true.)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:38

Vai is awesome, but not Prog.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 15:34

Originally posted by Wolf Spider Wolf Spider wrote:

Dear arcer,
I disagree with your post because I think that Steve Vai is indeed a prog artist, not because he played with Zappa and Petrucci, but working with Zappa left a mark on his character and playing style. Zappa teached him the courage to express his every thought and idea through music. His albums contain very well composed and arranged rock songs with strong metal/jazz/fusion /experimental/even pop infuences. And that is why I`m so damn happy he has been finally added to bands list.
Yours trully

That's better!

Now point me to an album of his that is 100% prog and I'll support you.

BTW: Happy Birthday for tomorrow.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:50

Originally posted by arcer arcer wrote:


Just another overschooled, fret shredding bore. Out damn spot, out I say!



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!! I agree

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:42
Dear arcer,
I disagree with your post because I think that Steve Vai is indeed a prog artist, not because he played with Zappa and Petrucci, but working with Zappa left a mark on his character and playing style. Zappa teached him the courage to express his every thought and idea through music. His albums contain very well composed and arranged rock songs with strong metal/jazz/fusion /experimental/even pop infuences. And that is why I`m so damn happy he has been finally added to bands list.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2005 at 14:31
Originally posted by arcer arcer wrote:

boring, pointless and soulless


The holy trinity of progressive rock. So, he fits right in.
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