QUEEN on progarchives

Proglover wrote: ...in fact there is nothing disgusting about Queen's inclusion.....

 You didn't understand our feelings.

Proglover wrote: Yes, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, ELP, Jethro Tull, Genesis....are NOT progressive bands, but wrote progressive music.....that is my point!

 No, in fact they are all Boy Bands, excuse me if I didn't recognize them.

Proglover wrote: because some jerks on a site don't like what I'm saying....I better go kill myself

maani, lots of us feel the same because of this inclusion, that has damaged the CREDIBILITY of this beautiful website. 

___BYE___

Snow Dog wrote: YOU ARE YELLING!!!!!!!

No I am not....and in some vain attempt to make me feel horrbile..you guys are being hypocrites (Who is yelling now??).....awww.....my whole day is ruined now....because some jerks on a site don't like what I'm saying....I better go kill myself.....HAHA.....seriously people...get over yourselves!!

Proglover wrote: Ok, for the LAST AND FINAL TIME [...]

Please stop being dramatic then. I won't read long texts in capitals or bold letters.

James Hill wrote: I love Queen.They are part of my youth but I think we are reaching to call them prog.Led Zeppilin also has symphonic parts like Queen but I wouldnt call them prog either.This also applies to Uriah Heep or Deep Purple.Just because they dabble dosnt make them prog.

That's my point..............QUEEN IS NOT a progressive band.......BUT.....they wrote progressive MUSIC.....

Likewise....Yes, Gentle Giant, King Crimson, ELP, Jethro Tull, Genesis....are NOT progressive bands, but wrote progressive music.....that is my point!

maani wrote: NNJF: Believe it or not, it is not a matter of my being right.  It is my love of and concern for the site and its direction and future that are driving me right now.  Keep in mind that I have spent almost two years working with and supporting Max and Rony in a unique position.  And I joined this site, and agreed to become an integral, "inner circle" member because I believed in and supported their "vision," about which we (and especially Max and myself) have had myriad discussions. Thus, perhaps you don't understand the level of shock and betrayal I feel to see them compromising that vision, a vision that I have spent two years actively, aggressively supporting.  It is not about making the archives "elitist," or not adding new bands, or anything else.  It is about a principle - and everyone here knows how big I am on principle, whether it is political, spiritual or musical. Yes, I know I'm right.  But even if everyone - including Cert, tuxon and the few others in the rabid minority - bowed down and said, "Oh yes, Holy One, you are right, and we are mistaken to have believed that Queen is an appropriate addition to the site," this would not change my feelings of shock and betrayal.  Nor am I suggesting some sort of "ultimatum" to Max and Rony: "Either remove Queen from the site or...........else."  It is simply going to take me a very, very long time to adjust to the sadness I feel at where I see the site going - and I warned Max and Rony this would be the case if they allowed members to add bands and albums.  My fears are being borne out right in front of me. Yes, I'll get over it.  And I don't plan to leave the site.  But like richardh, Jim Garten, Tony R and other very long-term veterans of the site, my "excitement" and "super" feeling about the site have gone from a boil to a simmer, and I doubt that it will boil again. Peace.

I understand and respect that you are a man of principle....I HIGHLY RESPECT THAT............HOWEVER, that being said.....there is NO reason......NO REASON ON GOD's GREEN EARTH...why progressive albums by Queen (OR ANY OTHER BAND FOR THAT MATTER) should not be on this site......ONCE AGAIN.....THERE ARE NO PROGRESSIVE BANDS, ONLY PROGRESSIVE MUSIC......why do we want to put bands in boxes......music is suppose to free.....LET IT BE FREE DAMMIT!!!!!

I have a DVD on Genesis, and Phil Collins is interviewed.....and the gist of his statements were "Progressive Rock was something Genesis DID, but that's not all Genesis IS".......now regardless of the hatred that many people on this site have for Phil Collins.....the man opened my eyes with those statements.....Another example, take Robert Fripp....WHO HATES the term progressive to describe King Crimson's music.....Robert Fripp will tell you that his music is NOT progressive...but we have vilified Phil Collins and ignored Robert Fripp and THAT people is more disgusting than Queen's inclusion on this site...in fact there is nothing disgusting about Queen's inclusion.....

LONG LIVE PROGRESSIVE MUSIC AND DOWN WITH THE IDEOLOGY OF PROGRESSIVE BANDS....MUSIC MUST OVERRIDE BAND!!

Proglover:

You need not "shout": even at my most upset, I never resort to shouting.

You keep repeating that "there are no progressive groups, only progressive music."  That is a nice slogan, but it is irrelevant.  That is not the premise upon which the site was founded, nor is it the premise upon which the site has been administrated and maintained.  If you believe that slogan, you are, of course, free to start your own site based on it.  However, that slogan was never the slogan for Prog Archives, much less the "vision" upon which the site was founded.

This site was founded on the premise that there are progressive groups, within the various subgenres that the webmasters decided, at their sole discretion (which they have a right to do, since it is their website), represented the various subgenres of the overall genre known as "prog."  Yes, "progressive music" is also made by bands for whom the label "prog" may not actually be appropriate - again, based on the criteria that the webmasters have, at their sole discretion, chosen as the criteria for being "prog" and for inclusion on the site.

It was, of course, the webmasters' intention to "grow" the site and add bands along the way.  After all, no one - not even closed-minded Maani - wants the site to stagnate or be seen as "elitist," including only "seminal" prog bands and those influenced by them.

The question is how those additions should be - were to be - made, based on the vision and criteria articulated consistently by the webmasters.  The problem that has developed is twofold.  One, that the webmasters have become inconsistent in their vision and criteria.  Two, that the webmasters foolishly - and I make no apology for that word - started permitting members to add bands and albums to the site.  Whatever the reason for this - because the webmasters no longer had the time to do all the selecting, or because they wanted the members to feel more "included" in the process, or a combination, or something else - it was ill-considered, and has now come back to bite them.

I still support Max and Rony's vision for Prog Archives as they have articulated it to me quite often.  And I understand that, since it is their site, they have a right to change their minds.  However, having said nothing about planning to do so, and having instituted a process the result of which would inevitably lead to problems like the current one, the degree to which they have changed or modified their vision and criteria is, as someone else put it, a "watershed moment" for the site, a "sea change" in direction, and a mistake that, if not reversed or corrected, will inevitably lead to a serious "watering down" of the "prog" in Prog Archives.

Peace.

P.S.  Next week on "As the World Turns Progressively": In his wrath, Maani sends a mega-powerful worm through the website to all the members, which causes "We Will Rock You/We Are The Champions" to play on every members' computer in an endless loop that prevents both the shutting down or rebooting of their computers, or the turning off of their speakers...

P.S.  Next week on "As the World Turns Progressively": In his wrath, Maani sends a mega-powerful worm through the website to all the members, which causes "We Will Rock You/We Are The Champions" to play on every members' computer in an endless loop that prevents both the shutting down or rebooting of their computers, or the turning off of their speakers...