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Blacksword 
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 Posted: February 13 2013 at 08:57 |
 Tom Ozric wrote:
Does anyone hear similarities between some parts of 'Alone Tonight' with 'Snowbound' (from ATTWT) ?? |
Yes, I think there are some. Similar tempo and structure; soft verses that bridge into a 'big' spacious chorus with a 'big' Collins drum fill etc.. It was part of a Genesis ballad formula at the time. You can hear it in 'Say it's alright Joe' and 'Many too many' and 'Undertow' All good songs imo, but the ballads on the albums after ATTWT leave me a little cold. There was something, shall we say 'warmer' about the soft songs on ATTWT.
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Posted: February 13 2013 at 05:57 |
Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:
Unfortunately the second side has some of the absolute worst dross the trio Genesis ever laid down in the studio! |
That's true enough, sadly.
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Posted: February 13 2013 at 04:50 |
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Unfortunately the second side has some of the absolute worst dross the trio Genesis ever laid down in the studio!
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 13 2013 at 04:26 |
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 13 2013 at 04:23 |
Chris S wrote:
^ And give the Mama album a relisten |
Why indeed !! This, too, is a very good album. I have been inspecting my LP of this but I'm just very impressed with DUKE for now.
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Chris S
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Posted: February 13 2013 at 04:10 |
^ And give the Mama album a relisten
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 13 2013 at 00:16 |
richardh wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Does anyone hear similarities between some parts of 'Alone Tonight' with 'Snowbound' (from ATTWT) ?? |
I'm glad you asked the question not so much because I want to compare the two tracks but i would rather compare the ballads on the respective albums. The ballads on ATTWT (except Follow You Follow Me) seem a lot more powerful and intense. I love Snowbound ,Say Its Allright Joe and Many Too Many (slap me  ) but the songs as discussed on Duke just don't cut it for me. I have persevered but they just seem a bit lame but admittedly I can't relate emotionally to the lyrics at all. |
Why do you need to be slapped ?? Many Too Many is absolutely SUPERB - my top pick for Genesis ballads. Actually, Your Own Special Way is very good too (Collins' vocal harmonies are amazing on this) - I have never found a problem with having the odd ballad track included on a Prog album. 'Onwards' by YES is another delicious track. Todd Rundgren, though mostly a 'pop' icon, also composes quality ballads.
Back to DUKE though, Duke's Travels is up there with their best - platinum Prog this track. I must tweek my original 3 star review of DUKE up to a well deserved 4.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 13 2013 at 00:09 |
Collins' first solo album, 'Face Value' is a killer. Most tracks are crafted to perfection IMHO.
I'm just really hung-up on DUKE at hte moment, like I never was before. I have always enjoyed it, but it has taken me a quarter of a century to really really appreciate it.
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Posted: February 12 2013 at 15:37 |
HarbouringTheSoul wrote:
I used to think the same about the 'soft ballads', but I came around to "Please Don't Ask" eventually. The "it was easy to say I love you" part in the chorus is a bit obvious, but the bridge ("maybe we could try") makes for a nice twist and I think the song has some emotional poignancy to it. "Alone Tonight", the other 'soft ballad' is one of the low points of the album though, even though I like the "say that you'll help me" part.
But then again, what do I know? I seem to be the only person in the entire world who likes "Man on the Corner".
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No you are not mate  , Huge Collins fan here too, especially up to Dance Into The Light
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ShipOfFools
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Posted: February 12 2013 at 15:08 |
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Duke was really the last straightforward "prog" Genesis album.
After Duke, they did make songs that had progressive tendencies, but they never made an actual album that would be considered prog rock.
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"Better than a thousand hollow words is one word that brings peace" - Buddha
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richardh
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Posted: February 12 2013 at 15:03 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
Does anyone hear similarities between some parts of 'Alone Tonight' with 'Snowbound' (from ATTWT) ?? |
I'm glad you asked the question not so much because I want to compare the two tracks but i would rather compare the ballads on the respective albums. The ballads on ATTWT (except Follow You Follow Me) seem a lot more powerful and intense. I love Snowbound ,Say Its Allright Joe and Many Too Many (slap me ) but the songs as discussed on Duke just don't cut it for me. I have persevered but they just seem a bit lame but admittedly I can't relate emotionally to the lyrics at all.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 12 2013 at 14:49 |
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Does anyone hear similarities between some parts of 'Alone Tonight' with 'Snowbound' (from ATTWT) ??
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 12 2013 at 07:59 |
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Some great highs on Duke, and some lows too. I find Misunderstanding to be bland to the point of pointlessness. Alone Tonight has some nice monets but it's basically a pretty unremarkable effort. Please Don't ask is a nicely crafted song, but it's just not really what I want to hear on a Genesis album. Phil should have probably saved it for a solo album, especially as it was such a personal lyric.
But overall I think Duke was their last great album as a prog rock band.
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HarbouringTheSoul
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Posted: February 12 2013 at 05:22 |
You're welcome. I take great pleasure in ruining songs for other people. 
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Posted: February 12 2013 at 05:08 |
Great, Harbouring, never noticed that before, but I'll notice it everytime now!
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HarbouringTheSoul
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Posted: February 12 2013 at 05:00 |
I do think "Heathaze" is great, but Tony deserves a smack on the end back of his head for ending the first line of the chorus with the word "whereas". It sounds really clumsy.
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Posted: February 12 2013 at 03:20 |
Tom, I was thinking of you when I mentioned that bit about the doco lol! 
`Heathhaze' has very evocative lyrics and quite a somber melody, it's a wonderful track on a terrific album.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 12 2013 at 02:51 |
Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:
Harbouring, have you seen doco on Phil's `Face Value' solo album (at least I think this is where I saw it) where he's performing `Please Don't Ask' alone at the piano in the studio, and he breaks down half way?? 
Pretty moving stuff, and I always think of that when I hear that track. Anyone who's gone through a pretty horrible split (let me just raise my hand right now!  ) can relate pretty well to that lyric, in my opinion. |
Hey buddy !! You know, I always think of that doco with Phil breaking down whenever I hear that song - it is a very moving piece which is very potent too.
Heathaze is a fantastic track with very tasteful bass from Mike.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: February 12 2013 at 02:46 |
HarbouringTheSoul wrote:
I used to think the same about the 'soft ballads', but I came around to "Please Don't Ask" eventually. The "it was easy to say I love you" part in the chorus is a bit obvious, but the bridge ("maybe we could try") makes for a nice twist and I think the song has some emotional poignancy to it. "Alone Tonight", the other 'soft ballad' is one of the low points of the album though, even though I like the "say that you'll help me" part.
But then again, what do I know? I seem to be the only person in the entire world who likes "Man on the Corner".
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Hey there !! No, you can't take that title - Man on The Corner is a very pretty song - it really kicks in with that part "you, and me, we're just like all the rest...." - a bit Collins-solo styling but a very decent track. Dodo has a fair bit of Prog-appeal to it. Still, DUKE is the better album.
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