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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2012 at 09:13
No your not. We are actually a small group of weird people.Cool

Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

Red.
 
What's wrong with Providence? Better than most of the tracks, improvs or not, on SaBB, IMO.


Yes it is. And I dare say it's my favorite track on Red!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2012 at 04:32
am I the only one that loves Moonchild?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 18:05
"Providence" is the "Moonchild" of the album.  The elongated drivel that keeps me from handing the album five stars.

Funny story:  I was leaving the parking lot from the school where I teach, having forgotten that Red was live in the CD player.  All of a sudden I heard this violin.  I had no AC in the car, so the windows were down.  My eyes flew all over campus trying to discern the location of that strange violin that sounded so close. 

Eventually, I realized I am dumb.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 17:48
Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

Red.
 
What's wrong with Providence? Better than most of the tracks, improvs or not, on SaBB, IMO.
Providence > Red (title track)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 17:24
I much prefer Red.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2012 at 16:36
Red.
 
What's wrong with Providence? Better than most of the tracks, improvs or not, on SaBB, IMO.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 18:36
Close... to... the... Edge...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 17:44
This is the first X vs Y poll in which I'm wan't immediately certain who to vote for (and wish there were Both/Neither button). 

Both are the pinnacle creation by the apex "prog" bands of the early '70s. If the victory were to be awarded by meticulous counting the points scored in different categories, I'd probably have to go for CTTE. But since Red is a little more ground-breaking, after much deliberation, the vote goes to ...

RED


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 11:02
Close to the Edge  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 10:30
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Mr. Maestro Mr. Maestro wrote:

I feel like a weirdo.  Am I the only person in the world who thinks "Providence" is brilliant?


m I the only one who thinks One More Red Nightmare is brillliant? People always talk about the title track and Starless (which is admittedly amazing) but I never hear much talk about that one. It's one of my all time favorite Crimson tracks.


Mine too.  Maybe if there was no title track, I'd still take Red over CTTE for this one.  Incredible work from both Bruford and McDonald, especially.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 09:17
My finger moved so fast to click the bottom one that I pulled an index finger muscle.......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 09:03
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 08:11
I do prefer to listen to Red. That one is like getting hit in the head with a brick over and over musically - only with cool riffs and melodies and jazzy excursions between the mashed flesh and bleeding orifices.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 07:27
There's no disputing the brilliance of CTTE but I probably enjoy Red a little more.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 03:41
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 03:08
Yes - Close to the Edge; can't see Red in the same equation
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 02:47
Red is one of the better KC albums, but this is no contest. Close to the Edge.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 02:38
Close to the Edge is the only album I know of where I would not change a thing if I could. The only track on Red that reaches the same level of perennial awesomeness is "Starless". There are other good tracks on it, but I always found it a bit inconsistent.

Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Originally posted by Mr. Maestro Mr. Maestro wrote:

I feel like a weirdo.  Am I the only person in the world who thinks "Providence" is brilliant?


m I the only one who thinks One More Red Nightmare is brillliant? People always talk about the title track and Starless (which is admittedly amazing) but I never hear much talk about that one. It's one of my all time favorite Crimson tracks.

Not one of my favorite Crimson tracks, but I do think it's great. The lyrics are pretty awkward though.

Originally posted by Sumdeus Sumdeus wrote:

still, i think it is simply ridiculous to say "composition>improvisation". imo the best compositions usually involve improvisation to a certain degree, and I also like a lot of music that is composed through improvisation itself...

I agree that it's an over-generalization to say that composition is always better than improvisation, but especially in the case of King Crimson I usually find their completely improvised pieces much less interesting than the ones that involve some kind of composition. I'd go as far as saying that "We'll Let You Know" and "Starless and Bible Black" kinda stink ("Providence" is better). On the other hand, LTIA1 is one of my favorite King Crimson tracks, even though it involves a large amount of improvisation. But what sets it apart is that this is planned improvisation. It revolves around a set of pre-composed themes and it's clearly structured.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 02:10
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Nobody listens to the Grateful Dead.


:(

still, i think it is simply ridiculous to say "composition>improvisation". imo the best compositions usually involve improvisation to a certain degree, and I also like a lot of music that is composed through improvisation itself...


Edited by Sumdeus - December 13 2012 at 02:16
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2012 at 01:54
Live versions of CttE would beat Red. But otherwise I prefer Red. Yes is just to sterile in the studio.
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