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I must admit that Rabin's music is an unknown to me, outside of 'Drama'.
And I won't be able to stream music until sometime next week:(
Judging purely from Dean's comment above, this whole thing feels a little funny though.
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Well, there might well be a way to add Trevor Rabin to the site after all: http://progfreak.com/Trevor-Rabin-135138.html?path=pa/recent. If Diego votes 'yes' (he wasn't in the team when all the earlier 'Prog Related' votes were cast) then it's a done deal. Smile
 
A whole raft of artists for whom the original general consensus was 'Prog Related' have been reintroduced to the Crossover charts for a second bite. I guess this is due to the fact that the chances of any of them actually being seriously considered by admins for PR are somewhere just below zero...so the votes that were cast for that category are to all intents and purposes meaningless. Interesting times...! Tongue

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Not that I care any more, this trend of Crossover being reduced to a pale shadow of Prog Related is far from good. Best of luck with that guys (he said despondently and not without a hint of bitter sarcasm)
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Originally posted by yam yam yam yam wrote:

Well, there might well be a way to add Trevor Rabin to the site after all: http://progfreak.com/Trevor-Rabin-135138.html?path=pa/recent. If Diego votes 'yes' (he wasn't in the team when all the earlier 'Prog Related' votes were cast) then it's a done deal. Smile
 
A whole raft of artists for whom the original general consensus was 'Prog Related' have been reintroduced to the Crossover charts for a second bite. I guess this is due to the fact that the chances of any of them actually being seriously considered by admins for PR are somewhere just below zero...so the votes that were cast for that category are to all intents and purposes meaningless. Interesting times...! Tongue

Great, I hope that he votes 'yes' then, because it is a real shame that Trevor Rabin is not here already. He clearly belongs in Prog Related! Bring him on Cool
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Well, there might well be a way to add Trevor Rabin to the site after all: http://progfreak.com/Trevor-Rabin-135138.html?path=pa/recent. If Diego votes 'yes' (he wasn't in the team when all the earlier 'Prog Related' votes were cast) then it's a done deal. Smile
 
A whole raft of artists for whom the original general consensus was 'Prog Related' have been reintroduced to the Crossover charts for a second bite. I guess this is due to the fact that the chances of any of them actually being seriously considered by admins for PR are somewhere just below zero...so the votes that were cast for that category are to all intents and purposes meaningless. Interesting times...! Tongue
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Here I agree with you (also with the mentioned bands), but remaining "specialized" is not snobism. 

Yes, I agree that we should indeed remain specialized. But with open minds. 
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

True if you think to "related". For full prog categories that's the process, I think.

Yes, indeed it is. But as far as Trevor Rabin is concerned, I think Prog Related is the only option. Though I haven't heard his latest album. 
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Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

 Amazon or rateyourmusic are the reasons why this site is more restrictive with the additions.
 
Personally, I would love PA to be a little bit more like Rateyourmusic. Many of my favourite bands are borderline Prog, and many of these are presently included in PA's Prog Related category, but not all of them.
 
Many here seem to think that we are scaring people off by including "questionable" or "unpure" artists. I think the opposite is true. If Queen, Black Sabbath, Rainbow, etc. would not have been here, I would most probably never have found my way here. These are, after all, great "gateway" bands. I think we should be more liberal with inclusions.
 
Here I agree with you (also with the mentioned bands), but remaining "specialized" is not snobism. I think it gives the site a punctual identity. The criteria for inclusion may be discussed or changed, of course.
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

 Amazon or rateyourmusic are the reasons why this site is more restrictive with the additions.
 
Personally, I would love PA to be a little bit more like Rateyourmusic. Many of my favourite bands are borderline Prog, and many of these are presently included in PA's Prog Related category, but not all of them.
 
Many here seem to think that we are scaring people off by including "questionable" or "unpure" artists. I think the opposite is true. If Queen, Black Sabbath, Rainbow, etc. would not have been here, I would most probably never have found my way here. These are, after all, great "gateway" bands. I think we should be more liberal with inclusions.
 
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Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:


However, the process that we have adopted for ANY artist's inclusion is:

1) create a thread in the section "Suggest new bands and artists"
2) Attach the link to some samples to support your decision.
3) Collabs monitoring the site will bring the suggestion to the relative team (there's a team for each subgenre)
4) They will evaluate the suggestion and decide whether to include, reject, or move to another team.

A rejected artist can be proposed again if there's a new release which makes it more suitable for the site's standards.

If you click on the links to the subgenres on the home page you'll find the definitions of each subgenre.

I suppose that you think to suggest Rabin as symphonic prog, but I may be wrong. State the subgenre in your suggestion.

 
1.) As I have stated already in several other threads, I support Trevor Rabin for Prog Related.  There is no way that he is Symphonic Prog though, and our team would surely reject him.
 
2.) The procedure as described above is how is ought to work, not how it really works most of the time (especially not for Prog Related suggestions). Most such suggestions never lead to formal evaluation. Trevor Rabin is a good example of this; he has been suggested many times, but nothing has happened. What’s the point of creating yet another thread when nothing happens?
 
3.) Instead of any more fruitless discussion: Take a good look at the guidelines for Prog Related, gather a number relevant facts about Rabin with the guidelines in mind, and get a special collaborator to send a private message to the admins. (And then be prepared to wait loooong time before any result).
  

True if you think to "related". For full prog categories that's the process, I think.


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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:


However, the process that we have adopted for ANY artist's inclusion is:

1) create a thread in the section "Suggest new bands and artists"
2) Attach the link to some samples to support your decision.
3) Collabs monitoring the site will bring the suggestion to the relative team (there's a team for each subgenre)
4) They will evaluate the suggestion and decide whether to include, reject, or move to another team.

A rejected artist can be proposed again if there's a new release which makes it more suitable for the site's standards.

If you click on the links to the subgenres on the home page you'll find the definitions of each subgenre.

I suppose that you think to suggest Rabin as symphonic prog, but I may be wrong. State the subgenre in your suggestion.

 
1.) As I have stated already in several other threads, I support Trevor Rabin for Prog Related.  There is no way that he is Symphonic Prog though, and our team would surely reject him.
 
2.) The procedure as described above is how is ought to work, not how it really works most of the time (especially not for Prog Related suggestions). Most such suggestions never lead to formal evaluation. Trevor Rabin is a good example of this; he has been suggested many times, but nothing has happened. What’s the point of creating yet another thread when nothing happens?
 
3.) Instead of any more fruitless discussion: Take a good look at the guidelines for Prog Related, gather a number relevant facts about Rabin with the guidelines in mind, and get a special collaborator to send a private message to the admins. (And then be prepared to wait loooong time before any result).
  
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Originally posted by altaeria altaeria wrote:

Originally posted by JS19 JS19 wrote:

 
This isn't 'prog that only altaeria deems acceptable as prog rock like that stuff I used to hear in the 70s not this new fangled stuff' archives. We've got a broad range of stuff here, no-one's forcing you to like it and listen to it, but that doesn't mean it has any less reason to be here.



Actually, I wasn't around in the early 70s to validate your cliche "that stuff I used to hear in the 70s"  argument
-- but nice try.


Unfortunately, this site has become extremely ambiguous in its scope over the past few years
and I can hardly utilize it as a reference tool these days.   Oh well.  That really sucks for me.  Unhappy


I suppose I could open my mind, though ... 
and start listening to some Growling Death Thrash Grunge Fusion ... err... I mean... "PROG metal".


Thanks for the advice! 
I knew I could count on you young Twitterers to help me out !  Clap


PS: 
Somebody mentioned David Gilmour earlier.
So why does he get his own entry again ??  Wacko




I have mentioned David Gilmour. I hope you'll not be concerned if I comment your sentences.

I was around in the early 70s and the word "progressive" I think has been used for the first time around 1972 and it took several years to become a label. Nobody was thinking of anything called prog in these years. I think I've heard it for the first time at the end of the 80s.

I don't see the ambiguity in the site. I don't get your point so I can't comment.

About prog metal, give a try to Ayreon's "The Human Equation" with a bit of open mind and let me know what you think.

If you really want to open your mind I can suggest you "Universal Totem Orchestra", the first 4 albums of Art Zoyd or even the last live of Nichelodeon (the first things that I have in mind). No metal of any kind there.

Even Sir Gilmour has attempted something really new for him with his colaboration with "The Orb". Try it.
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Originally posted by JS19 JS19 wrote:

 
This isn't 'prog that only altaeria deems acceptable as prog rock like that stuff I used to hear in the 70s not this new fangled stuff' archives. We've got a broad range of stuff here, no-one's forcing you to like it and listen to it, but that doesn't mean it has any less reason to be here.



Actually, I wasn't around in the early 70s to validate your cliche "that stuff I used to hear in the 70s"  argument
-- but nice try.


Unfortunately, this site has become extremely ambiguous in its scope over the past few years
and I can hardly utilize it as a reference tool these days.   Oh well.  That really sucks for me.  Unhappy


I suppose I could open my mind, though ... 
and start listening to some Growling Death Thrash Grunge Fusion ... err... I mean... "PROG metal".


Thanks for the advice! 
I knew I could count on you young Twitterers to help me out !  Clap


PS: 
Somebody mentioned David Gilmour earlier.
So why does he get his own entry again ??  Wacko
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Originally posted by altaeria altaeria wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Let's clarify one thing: TRevor Rabin has guided YES for a decade as wellas Phil Collins has guided GENESIS. None of the two is on PA. Collins doesn't have any prog solo output, Rabin didn't until the last albums that I don't know, that's why I think he can be re-evaluated.

Annie Haslam is not on PA, David Gilmour is prog-related only and I don't think Greg Lake is here as well, just to mention some.



So it's up to me to listen to all the music released by these iconic prog-related solo artists
and find out whether or not they play anything resembling their band material.

That's fine... but it kinda defeats the purpose of this site to some extent.

I'm sure there are plenty of YES or GENESIS fans that are curious to read
other people's opinions about the solo albums before buying any albums. 

I suppose that's why I end up referring to Amazon reviews more these days.

PS:
The song SLUDGE from Trevor Rabin's CAN'T LOOK AWAY album sounds more like
traditional PROG ROCK than probably about 30% of the material listed on this site. 

Of course, I'm old... so my view of "Prog Rock" is antiquated anyway.




 
This isn't 'prog that only altaeria deems acceptable as prog rock like that stuff I used to hear in the 70s not this new fangled stuff' archives. We've got a broad range of stuff here, no-one's forcing you to like it and listen to it, but that doesn't mean it has any less reason to be here.
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I appreciate the responses and for moving this thread to the correct place.

I do admit that Trevor Rabin is not the most proggy artist. I was just wanting to expose people to his new album, which I consider very proggy and it's also a delight to hear.

Thanks for hearing me out and hope Trevor comes out with some more albums that could maybe make him a member of this wonderful site.

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Originally posted by altaeria altaeria wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Let's clarify one thing: TRevor Rabin has guided YES for a decade as wellas Phil Collins has guided GENESIS. None of the two is on PA. Collins doesn't have any prog solo output, Rabin didn't until the last albums that I don't know, that's why I think he can be re-evaluated.

Annie Haslam is not on PA, David Gilmour is prog-related only and I don't think Greg Lake is here as well, just to mention some.



So it's up to me to listen to all the music released by these iconic prog-related solo artists
and find out whether or not they play anything resembling their band material.

That's fine... but it kinda defeats the purpose of this site to some extent.

I'm sure there are plenty of YES or GENESIS fans that are curious to read
other people's opinions about the solo albums before buying any albums. 

I suppose that's why I end up referring to Amazon reviews more these days.

PS:
The song SLUDGE from Trevor Rabin's CAN'T LOOK AWAY album sounds more like
traditional PROG ROCK than probably about 30% of the material listed on this site. 

Of course, I'm old... so my view of "Prog Rock" is antiquated anyway.


 
 
No need to get so angry dude.

There are a lot of artists on this site that many don't agree with, and a lot that aren't on this site that many don't agree with. We try to come together and make the best decisions about it. I mean, if a group of people don't share your opinion, that's no reason to get mad.

When I first started on this site, I felt like the "prog" definition was like a badge or something. Pretty much every band I like I end up thinking they are at least "prog-related." But they aren't always. And ya just gotta deal with it. No biggie. Enjoy the music anyway. :-D
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Originally posted by altaeria altaeria wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Let's clarify one thing: TRevor Rabin has guided YES for a decade as wellas Phil Collins has guided GENESIS. None of the two is on PA. Collins doesn't have any prog solo output, Rabin didn't until the last albums that I don't know, that's why I think he can be re-evaluated.

Annie Haslam is not on PA, David Gilmour is prog-related only and I don't think Greg Lake is here as well, just to mention some.



So it's up to me to listen to all the music released by these iconic prog-related solo artists
and find out whether or not they play anything resembling their band material.

That's fine... but it kinda defeats the purpose of this site to some extent.

I'm sure there are plenty of YES or GENESIS fans that are curious to read
other people's opinions about the solo albums before buying any albums. 

I suppose that's why I end up referring to Amazon reviews more these days.

PS:
The song SLUDGE from Trevor Rabin's CAN'T LOOK AWAY album sounds more like
traditional PROG ROCK than probably about 30% of the material listed on this site. 

Of course, I'm old... so my view of "Prog Rock" is antiquated anyway.



It's up to us everybody to listen to what we like. We have forums on PA on which we can discuss of everything even when not strictly prog. Give a look to the forum's page.

We have Howe, Squire, Bruford, Anderson, Hackett, Rutherford, Gabriel and a lot of other "solos". Up to now nobody in the site admins has found the solo works of Collins and Rabin "prog enough", that's all. It doesn't mean that discussing of an album not listed is forbidden. The disucssions are free, only they will not appear as proper reviews. There's a specific forum section for them.

Amazon or rateyourmusic are the reasons why this site is more restrictive with the additions. We don't want to be clones, and respect to Amazon, we don't sell goods (at least I don't).

However, the process that we have adopted for ANY artist's inclusion is:

1) create a thread in the section "Suggest new bands and artists"
2) Attach the link to some samples to support your decision.
3) Collabs monitoring the site will bring the suggestion to the relative team (there's a team for each subgenre)
4) They will evaluate the suggestion and decide whether to include, reject, or move to another team.

A rejected artist can be proposed again if there's a new release which makes it more suitable for the site's standards.

If you click on the links to the subgenres on the home page you'll find the definitions of each subgenre.

I suppose that you think to suggest Rabin as symphonic prog, but I may be wrong. State the subgenre in your suggestion.

I have had a number of rejected suggestions during the years, the last one yesterday (Claudio Milano for JR/F), I have struggled about three years to see the TUATHA DE DANANN added. This is how it works.

Dig a bit more in the site, I' hope you'll enjoy it.  
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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Let's clarify one thing: TRevor Rabin has guided YES for a decade as wellas Phil Collins has guided GENESIS. None of the two is on PA. Collins doesn't have any prog solo output, Rabin didn't until the last albums that I don't know, that's why I think he can be re-evaluated.

Annie Haslam is not on PA, David Gilmour is prog-related only and I don't think Greg Lake is here as well, just to mention some.



So it's up to me to listen to all the music released by these iconic prog-related solo artists
and find out whether or not they play anything resembling their band material.

That's fine... but it kinda defeats the purpose of this site to some extent.

I'm sure there are plenty of YES or GENESIS fans that are curious to read
other people's opinions about the solo albums before buying any albums. 

I suppose that's why I end up referring to Amazon reviews more these days.

PS:
The song SLUDGE from Trevor Rabin's CAN'T LOOK AWAY album sounds more like
traditional PROG ROCK than probably about 30% of the material listed on this site. 

Of course, I'm old... so my view of "Prog Rock" is antiquated anyway.


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Originally posted by Andy Webb Andy Webb wrote:

Originally posted by altaeria altaeria wrote:




There's plenty of Extreme Tech Metal acts 



Whoa buddy.

Don't go there.

There are plenty of extreme tech prog metal acts. Quite a big difference.
 
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