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tamijo 
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 Posted: June 15 2012 at 08:07 |
 ExittheLemming wrote:
Art rock is more or less soft-avant-garde?
Where does that conclusion come from given that the likes of Cockney Rebel, Roxy Music, Procul Harum, Velvet Underground, Pere Ubu, David Bowie, Doctors of Madness, Talk Talk and Be Bop Deluxe might conceivably tick all the relevant boxes but none of the foregoing would even dent the pillow of avant-garde IMO.
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Pere Ubu might fit, but thats a technicality.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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frippism
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 07:47 |
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I for one think we should be cutting down genres instead of adding new ones. Bands in RPI, Zheul, Indo Prog (c'mon), and maybe even Krautrock, could be divided into the other PA sub-genres, IMHO.
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There be dragons
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 06:59 |
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Right, and Progressive Rock is deemed to be the same phenomenon as rock music. Who precisely is claiming that Prog Folk is the same as folk music?
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zravkapt
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 06:53 |
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There is no avant-garde on PA, only 'Avant-Prog' which is not the same; that's like saying 'Prog Folk' is the same thing as folk music.
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Magma America Great Make Again
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Dean
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 06:20 |
someone_else wrote:
Dean wrote:
Kotro wrote:
Art Rock used to be a sub-genre on PA, but it was decided to split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Proto-Prog and Prog-Related. |
More accurately: Art Rock was split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Prog-Related and "Not Needed on the Voyage". Proto Prog was never "Art Rock" |
As far as I can remember: Proto-Prog and Prog Related were already there before Art Rock was split up. Art Rock was divided into Heavy, Crossover and Eclectic Prog. |
Long before that Prog Related was split out from Art Rock if my memory serves me correctly. It's been mentioned before and it will take me forever to find the relevant quotes. Proto Prog was never part of "Art Rock" but Prog Related was.
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someone_else
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 06:17 |
Dean wrote:
Kotro wrote:
Art Rock used to be a sub-genre on PA, but it was decided to split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Proto-Prog and Prog-Related. |
More accurately: Art Rock was split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Prog-Related and "Not Needed on the Voyage". Proto Prog was never "Art Rock" |
As far as I can remember: Proto-Prog and Prog Related were already there before Art Rock was split up. Art Rock was divided into Heavy, Crossover and Eclectic Prog.
Edited by someone_else - June 15 2012 at 06:19
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 05:37 |
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Art rock is more or less soft-avant-garde?
Where does that conclusion come from given that the likes of Cockney Rebel, Roxy Music, Procul Harum, Velvet Underground, Pere Ubu, David Bowie, Doctors of Madness, Talk Talk and Be Bop Deluxe might conceivably tick all the relevant boxes but none of the foregoing would even dent the pillow of avant-garde IMO.
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Dean
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 05:20 |
Kotro wrote:
Art Rock used to be a sub-genre on PA, but it was decided to split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Proto-Prog and Prog-Related. |
More accurately: Art Rock was split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Prog-Related and "Not Needed on the Voyage". Proto Prog was never "Art Rock"
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Kotro
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 05:04 |
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Art Rock used to be a sub-genre on PA, but it was decided to split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Proto-Prog and Prog-Related.
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Bigger on the inside.
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Textbook
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Posted: June 15 2012 at 04:31 |
I'm aware this this subject is probably DOA because admin is (completely undertstandably, it's a huge job) reluctant to fool about with the sub-genres as it would involve so much reorginisation, but it strikes me that art rock, though not "progressive rock", is "progressive" and has a home here. Avant garde is not prog rock either, but is included because prog fans are often interested in experimental music generally and I'd say the same of art rock. A whole lot of art rockers get included in prog-related or crossover, but sometimes the categorisation is awkward. Further art rockers are either not on the site at all or included controversially. IMO, "Art Rock" as a category would add a lot of acts that people want to see here, would tidy up categorisation and would be a fairly busy and popular category as well. Art rock is more or less soft-avant-garde but I think we'd all agree that putting art rock acts in avant garde would please nobody. Anyway, not expecting this to go anywhere but I figured this folder was for people to put in their two cents. P.S. RPI is not a genre *ducks*
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