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tamijo
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 07:14 |
frippism wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Heroin?
Child's play
Gnaw on a raw pineal gland
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I had to google it. It sounds intense :O
tamijo wrote:
Totaly fed up with all that, I want to tell You how to live your life We need space to not allways be those perfect machines, doing everything right ! Some like to smoke, some eat an unhealthy load of crap, some drink, some like to paint with unhealty oli colours, some like to drive in stupid hungry cars. Some like to climb dangerous cliffs, some like to dive in caves. LETS DO WHAT WE WANT, WE ARE NOT MACHINES MADE TO PRODUCE AS MUSH AS POSSIBLE, AT THE LOWEST COST POSSIBLE, WE ARE HUMANS !! |
It's not really the "smoking is de-moral" it's more a "you're smoking and it smells bad and makes me stink and gives me cancer [though probably minimal]".
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Im not in doubt that you dont like it, that was clear. But the question is, is it my problem, that you got this neurosis, beliving a little cigarette smoke, might be a real danger to your helth. You may be the kind of person, avoiding any kind of risk, not using cemical soap, never driving cars, only eating biodynamic food, using only biodynamic cloths ect. In that case, you are generally paranoid, sad story. You may also be the person, doing everything as most people do, in that case, Your problem is a tobacco neurosis. In any case, its your problem, not mine. We are all gonna die, smoking or no smoking, and we are ganna have a lot more fun, if we allow each other a little space, and some respect. Im fine with smoking outside, but im sick of this "perfect world", constantly trying to force everyone to be the same.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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frippism
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 07:10 |
Jim Garten wrote:
frippism wrote:
It's kinda like someone constantly farting in public, only farting doesn't give me cancer |
There speaks someone who's never eaten a garlic chilli chicken bahar! |
Well played
I've been to "Chili's" though. The public seems to be able to control their flux capacitor.
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frippism
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 07:10 |
JJLehto wrote:
I think it's just human nature (passion?) but it seems with anything: a political idea, new band/genre of music, new brand of something, new to religion, new to non smoking...the most fervent tend to be the new comers indeed.
Seriously, I don't get the general anti smoking sentiment, especially the harshness of it. If you live with/have to deal with someone who smokes then yeah, it impacts you and if you want to then try to work with it/get em to quit.
But strangers? Especially when we're outside? Does it really impact your life? But hey, more human nature...we gotta make sure others do as we want.
Not to derail, I've sene cigars pop up a few times. I think those are nasty, shame that they smell so good. Only had one I got any enjoyment from. Ciggs were generally neutral, if forced I'd rather have that over a cigar!
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Restaurants, venues, clubs (lol I don't go to clubs). If it's totally in an outside area and the smoke is right beside me then I don't mind. But I'm tired coming back home in the middle of the night from a show smelling like cigarettes- it's disgusting.
And cigars= 10 times worse than cigarettes. They smell like hell.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 06:58 |
"Strategic interaction irreducible fraction Terminal inaction and a bitter hostile faction I'm getting anxious I'm franxious Transactional diseases are the only thing that pleases We " "What did the sage mean? What had the sage seen?"
Edited by Slartibartfast - May 24 2012 at 06:59
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 06:52 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
^ "You burn me up I'm a cigarette..."
JJLehto wrote:
Heroin?
Child's play
Gnaw on a raw pineal gland
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Hand sanitizer.
For me the definitive answer is "only when I'm on fire".
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Ahhh but that's not smoking! Unless we can turn this into an old fashioned PA general drug thread but that never ended well. Even though we now have this thing so maybe its ok now? Also when you resort to getting alcohol from hand sanitizer (I've heard some kids try) you reeeaaally are in a bad way.
Edited by JJLehto - May 24 2012 at 06:58
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 06:47 |
^ "You burn me up I'm a cigarette..."
JJLehto wrote:
Heroin?
Child's play
Gnaw on a raw pineal gland
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Hand sanitizer. For me the definitive answer is "only when I'm on fire".
Edited by Slartibartfast - May 24 2012 at 06:51
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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clarke2001
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 06:47 |
20 fags a day, superking size.
I smell like an ashtray. My apartment too.
My fingernails are yellow, my skin is yellow, my teeth are yellow, the goo from my lungs is yellow.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 06:42 |
As a kid, I thought that smokers were weak persons. In my student days though, I discovered that a good sigar from time to time could be a real treat, and that I am not stronger than the average person. After my student days I grew out of smoking, though. Reason nr. 1: I got a girlfriend, and she hated it, Reason nr. 2: I got some small health problems. Reason nr. 3: for me it was easy to stop since I was never addicted to nicotin, and deep in my heart, smoking didn't feel right for me. So I stopped, though never officially. I just stopped buying cigars and never said "yes" anymore when somebody offered me one. In practice, I didn't smoke in about 10 years, I guess. I never turned to an aggressive anti-smoker anymore, though.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 06:32 |
frippism wrote:
It's kinda like someone constantly farting in public, only farting doesn't give me cancer |
There speaks someone who's never eaten a garlic chilli chicken bahar!
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 06:29 |
frippism wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Heroin?
Child's play
Gnaw on a raw pineal gland
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I had to google it. It sounds intense :O
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If you wanna believe the not proven theory that the pineal gland produces DMT (which is not proven but thought to cause dreams, NDEs, out of body and alien experiences) then eating said gland would have to be the craziest trip ever!
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 06:27 |
I think it's just human nature (passion?) but it seems with anything: a political idea, new band/genre of music, new brand of something, new to religion, new to non smoking...the most fervent tend to be the new comers indeed.
Seriously, I don't get the general anti smoking sentiment, especially the harshness of it. If you live with/have to deal with someone who smokes then yeah, it impacts you and if you want to then try to work with it/get em to quit.
But strangers? Especially when we're outside? Does it really impact your life? But hey, more human nature...we gotta make sure others do as we want.
Not to derail, I've sene cigars pop up a few times. I think those are nasty, shame that they smell so good. Only had one I got any enjoyment from. Ciggs were generally neutral, if forced I'd rather have that over a cigar!
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frippism
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 06:24 |
JJLehto wrote:
Heroin?
Child's play
Gnaw on a raw pineal gland
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I had to google it. It sounds intense :O
tamijo wrote:
Totaly fed up with all that, I want to tell You how to live your life We need space to not allways be those perfect machines, doing everything right ! Some like to smoke, some eat an unhealthy load of crap, some drink, some like to paint with unhealty oli colours, some like to drive in stupid hungry cars. Some like to climb dangerous cliffs, some like to dive in caves. LETS DO WHAT WE WANT, WE ARE NOT MACHINES MADE TO PRODUCE AS MUSH AS POSSIBLE, AT THE LOWEST COST POSSIBLE, WE ARE HUMANS !! |
It's not really the "smoking is de-moral" it's more a "you're smoking and it smells bad and makes me stink and gives me cancer [though probably minimal]".
@Dean- I'm sorry but I can't agree. Unless you're far away from me, it's annoying, I'm sorry it just is. But you're in the U.K., so you can smoke as much as you want.
It's kinda like someone constantly farting in public, only farting doesn't give me cancer.
If you do it at the comfort of your own home, then it's all good.
Edited by frippism - May 24 2012 at 06:25
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tamijo
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 06:19 |
Totaly fed up with all that, I want to tell You how to live your life We need space to not allways be those perfect machines, doing everything right ! Some like to smoke, some eat an unhealthy load of crap, some drink, some like to paint with unhealty oli colours, some like to drive in stupid hungry cars. Some like to climb dangerous cliffs, some like to dive in caves. LETS DO WHAT WE WANT, WE ARE NOT MACHINES MADE TO PRODUCE AS MUSH AS POSSIBLE, AT THE LOWEST COST POSSIBLE, WE ARE HUMANS !!
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Jim Garten
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 06:17 |
I usually find it's ex-smokers who become the most aggressive anti-smokers; whether they're insecure in their commitment to remain non-smokers, or just plain jealous, I don't know.
Bottom line? I smoke; I'd rather not (I'm not stupid - I know the risks), but I do, and I can also say, I actually enjoy smoking... maybe not every single one - some are just plain habit, but overall, that first puff is niiiiice (and yes, I know all about addiction, thanks very much )!
Actually - I'm typing this at the office during my lunch break - anyone want to guess exactly what I'm going to do as soon as I hit that 'Post Reply' button?
Right first time!
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 06:09 |
Dean wrote:
dean (2nd January 2008) wrote:
I use to be ambivalent towards non-smokers but of late I find myself becoming less tolerant to the point of being internally quite belligerent. Since my self-control and will-power has already been proven to be weak it is only a matter of time before I lose the ability to keep those pugnacious feelings to myself. And to be perfectly honest, I am looking forward to that day. |
Four years on and nothing's changed - I'd still like to be an aggressive smoker... if I'm going to stand accused and punished without trial for being rude and inconsiderate then I may as well be rude and inconsiderate; if I'm going to be treated like a second-class citizen then I see no reason not to behave like one. But it's not in my nature to be that impolite unless grossly provoked, the best I can manage is to be politely unapologetic. I was always a polite and conciderate smoker before so why should I tolerate aggressive non-smokers now.
When some non-smoker does that comical pantomime waive of disdain when some smoke drifts within 30 metres of their airspace (come on, you've all done it) I will reciprocate with an disdainful waive of dismissal of equal proportion. If that results in some haughty retort then I will politely explain that if the odour offends them then they should move away - they have that choice. I have become a lot less tolerant of non-smokers demands - I am already reduced to smoking outside, way from doorways and open windows - I am as far away from them as it is practical to be, it seems only fair that they place themselves as far away from me as it is practical to be - a little respect goes a long way.
It has never been my intention to share my smoke with anyone, I'm not a sharing person. |
I heartily agree with every sentiment expressed.
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 06:05 |
Heroin?
Child's play
Gnaw on a raw pineal gland
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frippism
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 05:19 |
LSD is terrible.
Go Heroin!
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Sagichim
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 05:17 |
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ole-the-first
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 04:53 |
No, I never smoked.
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Barah86
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Posted: May 24 2012 at 04:31 |
No! cigarettes are bad... marijuana on the other hand
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Death seed blind man's greed
Poets' starving children bleed
Nothing he's got he really needs
Twenty first century schizoid man.
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