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Posted: May 01 2012 at 17:12

I would be more interested in a thread critical of all the young people here who are more crotchety than all the geezers I know combined. Are kids already that cynical, pissed off, and easily offended? Ermm

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Posted: May 01 2012 at 17:11

Why exactly are you a member of this site, Textbook? What is it you believe you are contributing to this place?

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Posted: May 01 2012 at 17:08

I agree with Textbook, poking fun at an authority figure in such a harmless way doesn't need to be censored.

I've had a few of my posts censored, reasonably, which I was okay with. I'm not even sure what "fuddy duddy" even means, but it barely seems serious or offensive in anyway. I'd probably giggle if someone called me that, and I'm younger and way less mature than probably all of the admins.

That being said, I'm not meaning to be critical of the admins. I think they do a good job and generally have good reasons for doing whatever they do, and I think I speak for most of the members of the site by saying that we are thankful for the job that the admins do on this site.

but f**k da police.

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Posted: May 01 2012 at 16:59

The post is reproduced above yours Lazland. Please tell me where it went over the line.

The fact it has been removed is not evidence that it was abusive or uncalled for. It could simply be an intolerance of criticism or fear that I was on to something.

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Posted: May 01 2012 at 16:56

The admins do a thankless job very well, and I say this as someone who has spent virtually my entire adult lifetime criticising rudderless & useless authority. I am not afraid to have a go when it is warranted.

They volunteer for this job, and I think they do it to the benefit of the site.

Criticise, by all means, but do it in a way that is professional and courteous. As a rider, I would state I didn't see the relevant post, but the fact it has been removed speaks volumes.

There is no need to insult people and be rude. Hiding behind a computer screen makes it cowardly as well, which I loathe.

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Posted: May 01 2012 at 16:54

OK, polite is stretching it. But it wasn't abusive or savage. I reproduce it here in order to faciliate the discussion being had in this thread. Here is my initial post:

"So in Smurph's thread about a "pointless rant about children", I jokingly called him a retard and that was censored. I get along with Smurph, I like him, we've private messaged each other and I'm certain he would've taken it in the ribbing way it was intended. But fine, I don't mind it being censored, I can understand how it might look to someone reading it cold and not being aware of how I meant it, it can be a sensitive word. So no big deal.

But what bothers me is that afterwards I made a post saying "Got a post censored. Hey Smurph, want to join me in a rant about humorless, fuddy duddy admin?" which was again a joke, pretty obviously I thought, and this was censored too.

Come on guys, some soft and only half-serious criticism saying you're fuddy duddy and humorless is over the line? I guess you can censor this post too, but it might make some people think I'm on to something. The best way to defuse it is to let it stand and have people disagree with and belittle me as I'm sure they will because most people here are much more matey-potatey than me. But to make it "AGAINST THE RULES" to call you fuddy duddy is kind of dickish and that would lower you to my level."

And two further comments I made before it was deleted:

"A) I don't know who did it so I can't PM

and B) Things like this should be discussed publicly.

Edit: Also, I don't care who did it. I'm not interested in identifying them. We don't need to do that. The message is just one generally of "Being an admin means you get criticised sometimes. Yes criticism can go too far and become abuse, but "fuddy duddy" is not that point. In fact, thinking fuddy duddy is over the line would probably be a key part of actually being fuddy duddy."

And another one:

Further comment, in pre-emptive response to inevitable "if you don't like it, leave" answer: But I do like this site, way more bad than good, it's an impressive place. But the worst thing about it is that a number of the admins/mods are out of touch. Their sensibilities are dated. That's probably a product of the site being about a form of music prevalent in the 70s but it doesn't need to be that way. Progressive music is a product of NOW, people doing things NEW. It would be a good thing for the site to have more young turks in the admin/mod group to reflect that attitude because young turks are the guys making prog at any point in time.

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Posted: May 01 2012 at 16:52

Hmmmm.... the fact that the topic is nowhere to be seen suggests that you may have a different definition of politely worded and eloquent than the admin - to the extend that you violated the site guidelines somewhere... You do have a reputation after all.

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Posted: May 01 2012 at 16:42

I posted a topic in GD about how I felt that the admins/mods here are out of touch and dated in their sensibilities. I thought it was politely worded and eloquent and a way of starting a real conversation on the issue. It got locked and censored.

So the deal is that we just can't do it or what?

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Epignosis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32530	Posted: May 01 2012 at 17:12
	I would be more interested in a thread critical of all the young people here who are more crotchety than all the geezers I know combined. Are kids already that cynical, pissed off, and easily offended?
	https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays

dreadpirateroberts Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2011 Location: AU Status: Offline Points: 952	Posted: May 01 2012 at 17:11
	Why exactly are you a member of this site, Textbook? What is it you believe you are contributing to this place?
	We are men of action. Lies do not become us. JazzMusicArchives.

colorofmoney91 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: March 16 2008 Location: Biosphere Status: Offline Points: 22774	Posted: May 01 2012 at 17:08
	I agree with Textbook, poking fun at an authority figure in such a harmless way doesn't need to be censored. I've had a few of my posts censored, reasonably, which I was okay with. I'm not even sure what "fuddy duddy" even means, but it barely seems serious or offensive in anyway. I'd probably giggle if someone called me that, and I'm younger and way less mature than probably all of the admins. That being said, I'm not meaning to be critical of the admins. I think they do a good job and generally have good reasons for doing whatever they do, and I think I speak for most of the members of the site by saying that we are thankful for the job that the admins do on this site. but f**k da police.
	Hanashukketsu

Textbook Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281	Posted: May 01 2012 at 16:59
	The post is reproduced above yours Lazland. Please tell me where it went over the line. The fact it has been removed is not evidence that it was abusive or uncalled for. It could simply be an intolerance of criticism or fear that I was on to something.

lazland Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13636	Posted: May 01 2012 at 16:56
	The admins do a thankless job very well, and I say this as someone who has spent virtually my entire adult lifetime criticising rudderless & useless authority. I am not afraid to have a go when it is warranted. They volunteer for this job, and I think they do it to the benefit of the site. Criticise, by all means, but do it in a way that is professional and courteous. As a rider, I would state I didn't see the relevant post, but the fact it has been removed speaks volumes. There is no need to insult people and be rude. Hiding behind a computer screen makes it cowardly as well, which I loathe.
	Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time!

Textbook Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281	Posted: May 01 2012 at 16:54
	OK, polite is stretching it. But it wasn't abusive or savage. I reproduce it here in order to faciliate the discussion being had in this thread. Here is my initial post: "So in Smurph's thread about a "pointless rant about children", I jokingly called him a retard and that was censored. I get along with Smurph, I like him, we've private messaged each other and I'm certain he would've taken it in the ribbing way it was intended. But fine, I don't mind it being censored, I can understand how it might look to someone reading it cold and not being aware of how I meant it, it can be a sensitive word. So no big deal. But what bothers me is that afterwards I made a post saying "Got a post censored. Hey Smurph, want to join me in a rant about humorless, fuddy duddy admin?" which was again a joke, pretty obviously I thought, and this was censored too. Come on guys, some soft and only half-serious criticism saying you're fuddy duddy and humorless is over the line? I guess you can censor this post too, but it might make some people think I'm on to something. The best way to defuse it is to let it stand and have people disagree with and belittle me as I'm sure they will because most people here are much more matey-potatey than me. But to make it "AGAINST THE RULES" to call you fuddy duddy is kind of dickish and that would lower you to my level." And two further comments I made before it was deleted: "A) I don't know who did it so I can't PM and B) Things like this should be discussed publicly. Edit: Also, I don't care who did it. I'm not interested in identifying them. We don't need to do that. The message is just one generally of "Being an admin means you get criticised sometimes. Yes criticism can go too far and become abuse, but "fuddy duddy" is not that point. In fact, thinking fuddy duddy is over the line would probably be a key part of actually being fuddy duddy." And another one: Further comment, in pre-emptive response to inevitable "if you don't like it, leave" answer: But I do like this site, way more bad than good, it's an impressive place. But the worst thing about it is that a number of the admins/mods are out of touch. Their sensibilities are dated. That's probably a product of the site being about a form of music prevalent in the 70s but it doesn't need to be that way. Progressive music is a product of NOW, people doing things NEW. It would be a good thing for the site to have more young turks in the admin/mod group to reflect that attitude because young turks are the guys making prog at any point in time.

Angelo Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244	Posted: May 01 2012 at 16:52
	Hmmmm.... the fact that the topic is nowhere to be seen suggests that you may have a different definition of politely worded and eloquent than the admin - to the extend that you violated the site guidelines somewhere... You do have a reputation after all.
	ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected]

Textbook Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: October 08 2009 Status: Offline Points: 3281	Posted: May 01 2012 at 16:42
	I posted a topic in GD about how I felt that the admins/mods here are out of touch and dated in their sensibilities. I thought it was politely worded and eloquent and a way of starting a real conversation on the issue. It got locked and censored. So the deal is that we just can't do it or what?