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Posted: January 25 2012 at 11:18
I have to admit that my forays into jazz have mostly had more success the further from "pure" jazz the music I was listening to was, so I'm on the same page as you guys thus far.
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Posted: January 25 2012 at 09:37
Finnforest wrote:
^ I'm sure with you on that point Dean. It always amuses me when some people get this somewhat cocky attitude that they've reached the final plateau of Jazz and now look back with muted scorn at the peons who still listen to prog rock. Jazz generally bores me, although I enjoy rock influenced by jazz. But I'll take another romp through punk, alt-rock, or start into a classical music phase before I embrace jazz.
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Posted: January 25 2012 at 09:29
^ I'm sure with you on that point Dean. It always amuses me when some people get this somewhat cocky attitude that they've reached the final plateau of Jazz and now look back with muted scorn at the peons who still listen to prog rock. Jazz generally bores me, although I enjoy rock influenced by jazz. But I'll take another romp through punk, alt-rock, or start into a classical music phase before I embrace jazz.
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Posted: January 25 2012 at 09:17
In 40 years of jaded listening I've never reached the stage where listening to Charles Mingus or any other jazz earwax remover would engender a positive response from me. Jazz is not the natural conclusion from listening to Prog rock.
After 40 years of prog you tend to get jaded. Very standard stuff for prog collectors. It's like a mental disorder love/hate relationship because of the grind of the whole thing.
Peer relations: You have to find people in your own age group otherwise there will be a great misunderstanding from those prog fanatics who first heard prog 20 years after the fact.
It's okay to be verbally aggressive when discussing flying pianos, robes, capes, smoke machines, moronic, sub-moronic, whatever. Proggers are for the most part socially unaccepted by the norm so your limited social connections will run deep and it may be difficult to find someone who finds humour in these subjects.
After listening to prog for 40 years you deserve to enjoy the hatred you have for it. When someone gets in your face and starts talking about how great 90125 is , you have the right to cover your mouth and laugh or kill yourself. There are outlets. for example I can tolerate Lee Jackson and David Lawson's vocals on 3 glasses of fine wine. By that point you don't care how many times you've heard someone play ELP riffs. Why put yourself through that when you can listen to Charles Mingus Ah Um and base your responses on a positive impression.
Agree with most of this but I know Prog fanatics who are CEOs or at the top of their respective professions etc I think the whole outsider/misunderstood/weirdo card has been played to death. Let's face it, there is sufficient distance now between the so-called classic prog bands and those who listen to this music to render such stereotypes as facile.
After 40 years of prog you tend to get jaded. Very standard stuff for prog collectors. It's like a mental disorder love/hate relationship because of the grind of the whole thing.
Peer relations: You have to find people in your own age group otherwise there will be a great misunderstanding from those prog fanatics who first heard prog 20 years after the fact.
It's okay to be verbally aggressive when discussing flying pianos, robes, capes, smoke machines, moronic, sub-moronic, whatever. Proggers are for the most part socially unaccepted by the norm so your limited social connections will run deep and it may be difficult to find someone who finds humour in these subjects.
After listening to prog for 40 years you deserve to enjoy the hatred you have for it. When someone gets in your face and starts talking about how great 90125 is , you have the right to cover your mouth and laugh or kill yourself. There are outlets. for example I can tolerate Lee Jackson and David Lawson's vocals on 3 glasses of fine wine. By that point you don't care how many times you've heard someone play ELP riffs. Why put yourself through that when you can listen to Charles Mingus Ah Um and base your responses on a positive impression.
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Posted: January 23 2012 at 18:02
BaldFriede wrote:
I must say I lose interest in prog. It just does not interest me anymore what new albums come out, with the odd exception. Jazz and classical music are much more interesting, in my opinion.. There is so much music to discover which expands my mind more than prog; why, completely exploring the works of Johann Sebastian Bach lone seems to be a task that would take a lifetime but would be much more fulfilling than wasting my time with so-called "new" prog albums which are more or less just an endless repetition of what has already been said.
What's more: I hate the way albums are being produced these days; they all sound extremely sterile. Each instrument clearly separated from the other. Some audio freaks may rejoice about that, but that is not what music sounds like when it is being played live. The instruments all mingle then; there are multiple reverberations and fractions of sound, and this is what makes music sound "alive"; so much nicer for my ears.
I know many of you will disagree and come up with examples of what I absolutely "have" to hear. And I know equally well that I will listen to it, shrug and say "so what?"
Hello BaldFried, it's been a while since I have been on here on a regular basis and it's nice to see someone from years back that I can relate to as having good taste.Can you remember our quite strong backing for one of our favourite vocalists Mr Peter Hammill when some were being totally silly regarding the great man's unique voice? I understand your points on the Proressive music on offer.But compared to what else is on offer we still have the old guard to fall back on and there might just be something ready to break through,let's hope so.
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